67. Metaphysical Queries: Unveiling Reality's Mysteries

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[00:01:51] Hey everyone, welcome to Pursuit Of Infinity. I'm your host Josh and I'm joined by my co host Joe and today we're going to go through a few metaphysical questions that we had found similar to some of our earlier episodes where we went through philosophical questions.

[00:02:12] These are a bit more difficult. I feel like though, so I'm really interested to see where it takes us. So Joe, I don't know if you want to jump in and read the first question.

[00:02:23] Yeah, let's do it. All right, the first question will be is there anything that must be true of absolutely everything that exists.

[00:02:34] Oh man, that's a tough one. Is there anything that must be true of absolutely everything that exists.

[00:02:43] I don't necessarily think so unless you want to talk about what it means to be like to have absolute truth.

[00:02:54] The only thing that is absolutely true is that everything is one and I like to look at this in terms of holons as we talk about all the time on this show.

[00:03:07] The fact that everything in existence seems to be a whole made of parts, which is made of a whole which make which is made of parts which make up another whole.

[00:03:18] So I think that the only thing that must be true about everything is that it has to be included as a part among the holes or let's say apart among other parts that make up the whole of whatever the one is.

[00:03:35] Okay, yeah, I agree with that for sure.

[00:03:40] I think you'll probably agree with this too because I'll say this is probably like a fundamental thing. Is there anything that must be true of absolutely everything that exists.

[00:03:51] I would say, you know, experientially everything that exists must exist within consciousness.

[00:03:59] So I think it has everything that exists must be made of consciousness.

[00:04:05] So I think like at the fundamental level consciousness, the aspect of consciousness is the fundamental truth about everything in existence.

[00:04:16] So everything exists within consciousness. Everything is made of consciousness, consciousness is all that is known.

[00:04:22] So every object separate object that we perceive to be separate is of course included in the whole of consciousness kind of like you were saying.

[00:04:32] I think you could also say in a sense that everything something that's true of everything that exists is.

[00:04:46] So this is a hard one. I was going to say subjectivity.

[00:04:50] What do you think of that? Do you think I feel like subjectivity is inherent to everything based on the perceiver.

[00:05:00] I think that you're correct when you're speaking of anything that exists experientially.

[00:05:08] So my question to you was going to be because you did start out by saying everything that exists experientially must exist within consciousness.

[00:05:17] So do you think that there can be something that exists outside of experience?

[00:05:25] Yeah, I think well first I would say consciousness experience exists within consciousness.

[00:05:33] So consciousness is prior to experience meaning that you could say that kind of say that consciousness exists outside of experience or experience is not needed for consciousness to exist.

[00:05:46] So consciousness is prior to experience.

[00:05:50] And we kind of equate the two I think we think of consciousness being experience but experience is a subjective thing that we have, whereas consciousness is the absolute whole the unified truth.

[00:06:08] So yeah, I think it's important to think about it that way like experience comes after consciousness.

[00:06:14] It's a subjective form of consciousness kind of in a way to consciousness is like impossible to define because it's not a thing and you know we talk in terms of things.

[00:06:25] But it is the absolute is as like I said everything is made of consciousness everything is within consciousness and you get there just by.

[00:06:35] It's not existing you can see there's nothing that ever could exist outside of consciousness because the moment something it exists.

[00:06:44] You have to become aware of something for it to exist in the now you know what I'm saying.

[00:06:49] So yeah, so do you think that awareness and consciousness are the same things or do you think awareness is sort of a word that comes into play when you're talking about the experiential nature of something.

[00:07:03] So I think awareness is the best synonymous word with consciousness because consciousness seems when it comes up in discussions as kind of nebulous even like I said, it's basically impossible to define it.

[00:07:18] You can describe it to try to invoke the meaning in somebody.

[00:07:23] This is the closest thing and awareness is consciousness. It is being just simply being an awareness is being.

[00:07:35] Yeah, it's tough because like you said, you can't define consciousness.

[00:07:41] It's not a thing, you know, yeah, like it is what contains all things.

[00:07:48] It's like a word that we use to describe the absolute right and the absolute is just another word as well.

[00:07:55] But that's why I say instead of defining consciousness, the best thing you can do is I think kind of what we're doing here is try to invoke the meaning or invoke the being of it in somebody because you can't you know give it to anyone with words.

[00:08:11] You can't put it down on a piece of paper and say this is what it is, but you can use like metaphors and just I think metaphors are very helpful.

[00:08:21] But you can use words to try to invoke the meaning within somebody.

[00:08:27] So why don't we bring it back to because my answer and your answer to this question were kind of the same thing like we were basically saying like the only thing that must be true about everything that is that exists is that it's like part of the absolute part of the whole, which is kind of like inherent.

[00:08:48] It's almost common knowledge you would think so outside of that or we'll say a level beneath that do you think that there's anything that must be true of everything that exists.

[00:09:03] Like I said, it's everything is made of the same thing so that's a little different I kind of said that before everything is made of the same thing which is consciousness.

[00:09:13] I can't honestly, can you think of anything else because I think that's the only fundamental thing and there may be subjectivity everything is subjective.

[00:09:26] Every thing that in common just.

[00:09:30] Yeah, I don't think that every that there's anything that must be true about everything that exists aside from you know how we just put it.

[00:09:40] Everything I could say this also something that is must be true of everything that exists is that one obviously everything that we see as existing as a perception.

[00:09:54] You could we could talk about like the elusa the elusa or.

[00:10:00] Elusury is other word we could talk about the elusury nature of everything because if we're talking about you know the absolute being one being whole.

[00:10:13] Then that would mean everything that exists that we see as you says a part of the whole is kind of an illusion of separation so everything that exists other than the whole that appears as separate objects would be.

[00:10:27] A part of the illusion of separation.

[00:10:32] Yes and among the line like a lot of lines of the illusion of separation I you could say that everything and again it's like almost the same thing that I said before about everything has to be a part of the whole like I think that everything has to be a balance I think there are there are a few things that everything is everything being a part of the whole is balanced.

[00:10:56] It's in harmony.

[00:10:59] And it has a function everything must exist everything has a function and is part of an overall system that is perfect and each part of existence has a role to play within the whole of existence.

[00:11:21] Yeah I wasn't thinking of that but I absolutely agree I think that everything in existence has to be an absolute harmony so that's why especially in this state of consciousness we perceive duality so everything I think has a perfect duality even in this elusury perception not looking at the absolute just the holy truth of God basically.

[00:11:48] But it like you said it's a perfect harmony that balances to zero basically everything is in perfect harmony that balances is out balances itself out perfectly.

[00:12:01] Yes and harmony I think and balance work together it's like the Yin Yang everything must be about the only reason that we have anything is because of the harm the harmonious nature of balance.

[00:12:17] I totally agree I think I don't know if you can think of anything else that must be absolutely true of everything that exists.

[00:12:30] I don't think I think I can think of anything else you want to move on to the second one yeah that's fine all right number two must anything that exists have intrinsic properties.

[00:12:46] So I think it's kind of along some of the same lines that I was just saying it's in intrinsic properties are that of it's that they all are intrinsically made of consciousness.

[00:13:01] I think I don't want to just repeat the same thing because I think I'm going to answer exactly the same as everything we just said.

[00:13:10] I don't know if you have a different angle on this question but I would say everything we just said is are the intrinsic properties of everything that exists.

[00:13:21] I think the second part of the way that we were talking about balance and harmony.

[00:13:28] I think is more along the lines of the intrinsic properties of things because like it seems like intrinsically things are just they have to be balanced and in harmony so it almost seems like the second question is like an expansion of the first one.

[00:13:43] I agree and I think yeah basically everything we just said could apply to that.

[00:13:48] You want me to read the next one I'll read you on this one just because we didn't really do much for the second one I'll read the next one just so you have an opportunity to answer first.

[00:13:59] So number three is what are properties and are they universals or tropes or if not those what.

[00:14:12] I would say properties or I wouldn't say they're universal I think that if I'm getting this correctly I would say that properties are all subjective relative perceptions or thoughts.

[00:14:33] I mean anything that I see a property in something it doesn't necessarily have to be that way from every perspective.

[00:14:44] I mean even like for instance if you say this guy is blue at a property of the sky as the color blue it's like well some species don't see blue you know I mean so that's why I mean like relative certain properties might be specific to one state of consciousness versus another.

[00:15:04] Yeah I totally agree properties seem to be synonymous with like adjectives or descriptions and those are based in the subjective realm not the objective realm so yeah I totally agree with what you're saying.

[00:15:24] Should I read the next one yeah sure okay for must anything that exists stand in some relation to something else.

[00:15:35] Oh this is a cool one that is a cool one.

[00:15:41] Yeah I get what it's getting at I don't like when they use the word anything when they if they talk in such absolutes right must anything that exists stand in some relation to something else it's almost like the like if you have empty space and you have one object.

[00:16:01] You don't really know what that object is unless you have another object to compare it to and that goes for like distance and things like that so I would say anything that exists physically for sure must stand in some relation to something else.

[00:16:24] If you want to talk about existence as the whole or like an absolute then I don't think that experientially or outside of the physical that things work in the same way as like a material thing I think that they are realms outside of materialism that that don't follow the same types of rules that we consider to do.

[00:16:54] So I would say yes anything that exists within the realm of the material absolutely it has to exist in relation to something else but with that word anything in there I think it sort of changes the answer to know because I do think that there are things that exists outside of the realm of the physical.

[00:17:22] The only thing because like you said anything the only thing that doesn't have to exist in relation to itself is the totality and the infinite as one so clearly like the absolute that's that's what you're getting at.

[00:17:35] And as far as objects in this state in this realm that we're in I think yes like you said they have to stand in relation to something else and if because even without like relativity we lose like kind of what you were saying like concepts such a scale there would be no size to an object if it stands alone.

[00:17:59] If only you know and so I think that there has to be some relation I mean everything that we perceive is like relativity is a huge thing you know that's why we we live in a state of duality why like originally we just perceive dualities all around us we speak into outies we couldn't speak language wouldn't exist if.

[00:18:26] You know you can't relate something to its opposite or other so I think that yes it has something has to relate to something else I think relativism is pretty clear on that and other than the absolute then no so.

[00:18:48] Yeah I agree I agree all right you read that one or did I that was that was you so I'll read number five which is must anything that exists be completely determinant or can they are be vague objects.

[00:19:06] vague objects.

[00:19:09] What do you think that means vague objects.

[00:19:14] I think vague and objects sort of cancel each other out because I don't know when I think of things that are vague like I approach this question by thinking of again like we always kind of approach these things as it's like material versus non material or like physical versus non physical.

[00:19:35] That's where I think the vague objects come into play where it's like or maybe you can even talk about like quantum physics in this sense because it's like something can exist as a particle and a wave simultaneously making it vague as opposed to determinant.

[00:19:55] Okay well all right yeah it makes sense I would say then there can be vague objects because it says exists so in existence there are dreams.

[00:20:10] So in dreams I would say there absolutely exists something called vague that would call vague objects things can change form I mean in a psychedelic trip things change form I don't know if you would say they become vague but in a sense.

[00:20:26] Things aren't 100% determinant so in certain states I would say if i'm interpreting it right that there can be vague objects that your experience is so subjective that you in certain states you can literally change the objects in that you're perceiving.

[00:20:48] Yeah it makes sense yeah I agree like I think that the psychedelic state the dream state are made of vague objects they're the opposite of determinant and as you said they still exist.

[00:21:03] And you could even say like interestingly like this I mean I think reality is mind so like idealism now you see studies into like psychic phenomenon and you know.

[00:21:18] Depending on who you ask that there are a lot of like legitimate scientific studies that prove some of these things to be true like.

[00:21:29] Like if someone holds up a flash card and someone can predict at a high percentage what is on the other side if there's like objects on the card psychic phenomenon like that.

[00:21:40] So that begs the question like if reality is mind and psychic phenomenon exists there there's a unique thing happening between the mind and what we perceive as objects like what we call matter and.

[00:21:57] What we call our finite minds so there might be some form of like quantum entanglement happening where you affect the object you know what I mean so something like that I I just lean towards there being as it calls vague objects i don't think things are as determinant as you know maybe a materialist just views it I think reality is a lot stranger and especially once you.

[00:22:27] So start altering your state.

[00:22:31] Yeah this also reminds me of the question does Santa Claus exist so is Santa Claus determinant or is Santa Claus as the existence of an idea of vague object so in that kind of circumstance I would say 100% you know existence can include vague objects.

[00:22:52] That's true yeah like that definitely everything exists in that case you know and that I would say that's true yeah just exist as what it is doesn't have to manifest itself in any specific way for it to exist.

[00:23:06] With yeah like that um is that me yeah please my memory is bad okay number six can there be things that exist that are not in time.

[00:23:23] Yeah for sure for sure.

[00:23:27] I mean just rewind this podcast and listen to all the things that we had just talked about and most of them are things that exist outside of time experience a lot of times can exist outside of time you know that would require if if things could not exist outside of time that would require time to be the fundamental like unit of reality.

[00:23:52] And as we discuss I mean at nauseam on this podcast space and time in our view are not fundamental necessarily so yeah.

[00:24:05] Yeah they're you know relative at that and um I'll take it a little further and even say that nothing exists in time.

[00:24:17] I'm sure there's going to be questions about time in here so I'm not going to go crazy on that but I would say that the only place anything can exist is in the eternal now everything else is about time everything that you think exists in another time just exists now in your thought.

[00:24:39] Just bringing everything directly to only your experience or raising everything you know if you have to base on what's true on only your experience that's what I consider to be true and what's true in my experience is and in all the conscious states I've ever had is that time isn't you know it's it's not what we believe it to be as like a fundamental thing that exists outside of time.

[00:25:09] It's a convenient thing for this state it's a part of the dream I guess you could say but everything that exists must exist now in whatever form just like you said Santa Claus.

[00:25:22] It exists as what it is right now so anything that an elephant exists right now as what an elephant is which is a thought in my head of an image of what that's how it exists and it only exists as that right now.

[00:25:36] Yeah I think that's the answer.

[00:25:39] The concept of now as opposed to time being an eternal line of successive events yeah.

[00:25:47] Yeah.

[00:25:49] It's all there is you know and that's something that you get I think from psychedelics I think that would be hard to get without without them honestly I mean people get it though that's why I love Rooper Spira great teacher because he says a lot of this stuff and he's never touched the psychedelic it's like that's impressive I don't know but yeah you get deep experiences of that type of stuff in a deep psychedelic state.

[00:26:17] Or you just everything you believe gets thrown apart like oh okay yeah it seems like all worthwhile ventures of thought and philosophy end up there at some point which to me makes the psychedelic experience very valid you know because it does teach the same things that meditation and even like if you look into science as deeply and as objectively as you can without confining yourself.

[00:26:47] To like a dualistic version of materialism then you'll come to the same conclusions.

[00:26:53] Yeah it's pretty amazing so once those you know once the psychedelics and altered states become more accepted it's like you you never know where we can get with the knowledge we have of our modern physical science it's a shame that you know that people don't validate all their states of consciousness.

[00:27:17] That one specific state is prioritized above others and especially like now I think I might have said this on other podcasts but it's like you can tell a lot about a society by which drugs that they legitimize and use and legalize.

[00:27:34] And so we just favor like things like caffeine we favor something that elevates our state of production not our state of understanding or you know discovering truth or discovering more about ourselves.

[00:27:52] So maybe one day we will elevate psychedelics and appreciate that state and then integrate it into our science.

[00:28:03] Yeah I mean we also base our reality off of the path of least resistance.

[00:28:08] It's a lot easier to define reality based on what we can see with our senses as opposed to what we can't.

[00:28:14] The unseen realms are much more difficult to map I mean just the word map like that's essentially trying to bring the absolute into the dual you know trying to write something down or something like that.

[00:28:27] So yeah it's much more difficult I think to discuss and also to theorize about the non physical.

[00:28:36] Absolutely like it's definitely in some cases impossible to bring back and bring back here and then articulate with dualistic language a lot of that stuff it's, it is impossible I mean yeah so not only is it harder to like measure and bring that type of stuff back.

[00:28:56] It's also like a difficult thing to do like it's a hard experience I mean people regular people aren't really up for going deep in those states because it's not an easy thing.

[00:29:10] It's like it's seriously difficult so you know you're asking a lot out of a person to be like a high level scientist and have the drive and willingness to go deep into those states and then try to integrate them together it's like.

[00:29:27] It's not for everybody and you know especially like nowadays people that are in science at least a lot of them not all of them they are very rigid and they're thinking and their beliefs and their ideas.

[00:29:40] And a lot of scientists nowadays are married to their theories and you know there's some dogma going on there.

[00:29:49] And if you take a psychedelic and acknowledge that it is valid the state that it brings is valid and it just destroys all of that and throws it away and then you have to bring it back and try to incorporate it that's a difficult thing to do.

[00:30:06] Yeah because it just doesn't fit into the paradigms that we have been brought up to to feel are real and when you have an entire structured society a worldwide society that is based in one form of thought.

[00:30:22] And then you just explode and shatter that into something else that seems more fundamental there's it's really difficult to fit that in because there isn't you can't fit it in because it's bigger than what you're trying it's bigger than the box you're trying to put it in.

[00:30:40] Right it's like you know when people come out of some of these experiences they'll say that was realer than real realer than reality itself.

[00:30:48] And that's a hard thing to grapple with because if you actually acknowledged it that it happened and try to integrate it you have to really think about that.

[00:30:57] And then you realize well if that's realer than this I can't call it fake because the only reason I called this real is because it feels real you know what I mean so it makes you question everything so I know people a lot of people will take psychedelics you know kind of casuals.

[00:31:14] And they will say that about their experience like it was like realer than real but then they use their subconscious something their ego pushes it away and says even though it was realer than real let's forget about that and it was just a drug experience you know so there's other ways to look at it and I think people could start looking at that way and change a lot.

[00:31:36] Yeah for sure. I looked ahead to hear the seventh question which I'm going to ask you and I almost feel like it's asking the same thing is number six almost depending on what your definition of space show temporal is but the question is is there anything that is not part of the space show temporal world and when I look at space show temporal.

[00:32:02] It seems like to me that is synonymous with space time is that correct in your view that yeah that's exactly what I was thinking too so anything that can be said about time can basically be said about space because they're one in the same in a sense.

[00:32:17] So I would say basically the same I mean that it's only the the spatial temporal is like a perception you can call it an illusion because there is definitely something beyond those perceptions.

[00:32:35] It is an appearance how about that so behind the appearance there is something else.

[00:32:43] Yeah or just beyond this portion of reality because I do think that the space show temporal reality is just as legitimate just as real as you know the non physical part of reality or parts you know the infinite you know potential of what reality could be I do think that the spatial temporal reality is just as real and just as legitimate but it's not the only thing that exists.

[00:33:09] And this question is asking is there anything that's not part of that and of course to me there is an infinite amount of potential things quote unquote that exists outside of the spatial temporal world.

[00:33:25] Yeah I agree.

[00:33:27] Yeah I think it's basically pretty similar to the last question so you want to move on here.

[00:33:35] Yeah we can move on.

[00:33:37] Okay number eight what are the truth makers for mathematical statements?

[00:33:47] What are the truth makers for mathematical statements?

[00:33:51] I don't know if we need to unpack that a little bit.

[00:33:55] I feel like the truth makers of to me that this says like what makes math real or what makes mathematical statements true and I think what makes mathematical statements true are tangible results because mathematics to me seem to be or what this is talking about like mathematical statements are based in equations equations that we discover and then apply to the world.

[00:34:24] And then apply to what we consider to be truth and I feel like mathematics and truth only like mathematics can only determine truth in the physical because mathematics are like a direct measurement of what we're seeing feeling you know based off of our senses and what we're what we can measure in the physical so

[00:34:52] the truth makers for mathematical statements to me are tangible results that we can like map and base things in the physical reality off of.

[00:35:06] I agree I think it's definitely just because it's a method that provides results so it's almost just like the appearance of our minds working towards an end.

[00:35:18] Because you know anything that we discover or learn with mathematics it doesn't mean there could be countless other methods that can bring you to that same conclusion we just married to the scientific method and mathematics but the result exists without the symbols so it's just like the appearance of us working through that to meet the result and it's like.

[00:35:46] It's true we call like math true but it's like circular in a sense because you can't validate math with the system outside of itself it has to validate itself same with like the scientific method we say scientific method always works but there's no method outside of it to test it so it's being tested and proven by its own method so the only thing is the results that we get validated for us so then we say it's true.

[00:36:13] But there could be millions of methods that can bring you to a same conclusion but these are just the ones that we've chosen and that's what it looks like when we work things out.

[00:36:24] Yeah and I think that you know we can move pretty much directly to the next question and incorporated into the answer of the last question which is what are numbers and numbers are they're like a language mathematics is like it's like a language.

[00:36:42] You know it doesn't necessarily describe reality for what it is but it does describe a part of reality or the physical part of reality I always like to think of numbers and mathematics as like like the language of nature.

[00:37:01] Yeah it speaks to us in patterns and we recognize those patterns that would create symbols so like I would say numbers are symbols symbols are representative so I think it's funny like I just want to mention this with symbols it's pretty fascinating is like we say what is a symbol a symbol is anything but the thing it represents.

[00:37:30] So anything can be a symbol of something as long as the symbol is not the exact thing so I think it's pretty fascinating because a symbol can be anything as long as it's not exactly the thing that it represents anything but the thing can be a symbol of that thing.

[00:37:45] Yeah I mean yeah for an I-R-G-G or an emoji you know there are all symbols.

[00:37:51] I mean if you think of you know like a you can have a like a higher glyph is a good example you could have a higher glyph of an owl and clearly it's not a real owl but like it can represent something as long as it's not the exact thing in itself.

[00:38:12] I just I think it's pretty fascinating but you could you could have like an owl represent death if you want you know you could have anything represent anything and I think higher glyphs are kind of like that they have like random I will we would consider kind of random things that represent something you wouldn't that you wouldn't just guess immediately if there's an owl that doesn't mean it's talking about an owl because anything can represent anything.

[00:38:39] But yeah numbers are representative symbols I think I agree like it's from for a human being I don't know if it's inherent but for a human being.

[00:38:52] I think because we're so high in pattern recognition and the way that we kind of work through reality and perceive things.

[00:39:00] Numbers are like the language that nature kind of speaks to us to like speaks to us in I should say.

[00:39:07] So we recognize patterns we create basically like you said a language that is beyond the spoken word that can let us investigate further into reality and understand things about it manipulate reality I mean if you think about it that is just mathematics numbers that's the way that we do all of our science.

[00:39:29] But it's interesting because there could have been a civilization 30,000 years ago that got wiped out that had an entire different symbology and method of reaching similar or far different results and it could be just as valid but numbers are our our language of science and.

[00:39:49] Yep that's what we got yeah there are so many tools of understanding.

[00:39:54] I think we did that one pretty good I mean to read you the next one.

[00:40:01] Sure okay number 10 can there be necessarily existent entities.

[00:40:09] I would say necessarily existent entities would be the one the only one which is necessarily an entity in itself but you could call it an entity God is the only necessarily existent entity but like I said it's beyond an entity it is consciousness it is awareness itself it is just pure being.

[00:40:36] So without the avatar of what we would consider an entity the being is the only necessary existence I would say.

[00:40:48] Yeah or I would say the observer right in order for anything to exist or even anything to be an entity I think there must be an observer.

[00:41:02] Or you could I would take it this is how I would say it's because we said observer like yes but you could also say.

[00:41:12] The one who is aware of the observer or not even the observer the awareness the awareness of the observer.

[00:41:24] Just the empty awareness of it you know what I'm saying yeah that's like the ultimate observer right it's kind of just playing with the words but yeah.

[00:41:34] Yeah like that um do you have anything else to say on that I think that's all I really have to say about it yeah I don't really have anything else to say on that one okay number 11 what is it for something to be an actual entity.

[00:41:53] Well let me just quick say something before you answer that is that's an interesting question I wish it would have been before the I wish those two questions would have been swapped but go ahead.

[00:42:05] Yeah it's interesting actual is a very interesting word they put in there um I mean it really depends on how you're defining actual to me this seems to define actual as physically measurable by normal means.

[00:42:23] So I guess my answer to what is it for something to be an actual entity it would have to be in the duality of how we physically measure what what something is like what an entity is.

[00:42:42] But again I know I kind of have to go back to the Santa Claus thing because I consider Santa Claus real an actual entity.

[00:42:51] So I also consider the entities in say the DMT space to be actual entities because I consider them to be real so I guess it really does come down to what your definition of actual is.

[00:43:05] And you know because when I read that question it made me think of something entirely different because when I read uh exist in entities I think we're thinking along the same lines like aliens or people or some type of being but like also you can call the United States an entity.

[00:43:25] Corporation can be an entity so that's why like what does it mean for something to be an entity is very interesting I think it's pretty relative right because it can be almost anything can be an entity from like a being to a conglomerate of people to a piece of land with lines drawn around it anything can be an entity in a sense.

[00:43:51] So that changes what I was thinking about the last question too I mean I guess it's still the same answer but um what is it for something to be an actual entity.

[00:44:02] I think that's relative and up to the perceiver to determine.

[00:44:08] Take a look at number 12 did you happen to look at it?

[00:44:12] No, it's everything that exists in actual entity so which you literally just answered.

[00:44:19] I think yeah, I think that's exact that's funny because uh that is basically what I just said do you want to move on you want to talk about it.

[00:44:29] It's up to you.

[00:44:30] I think we can move on because I completely agree I think those I think 10 11 and 12 were like completely intertwined into the answers that we both gave so I'll ask you number 13 which is what are the truth makers for statements of logical possible.

[00:44:48] I might possibly need some help on this one but my instinct is to answer kind of the same as we answered the mathematical one.

[00:45:01] One of the truth makers for statements of logical possibility.

[00:45:08] I mean my first initial reaction would be to say results or outcomes just kind of how we were talking about with the mathematics but if you want to unpack this a little bit maybe I can go deeper.

[00:45:21] I mean, I happen to look at it the same way right especially like logical possibility.

[00:45:27] Right.

[00:45:28] It translates to mathematical probability which is essentially asking the same question as the truth makers for mathematical statements.

[00:45:37] And even like I get like look at some words I get a little weird because like logical possibility because I can kind of see logical as being almost a relative term because like logic is a thing it makes sense but it always changes like if you ask somebody something that someone considered logical absolutely logical like 400 years ago is not logical.

[00:46:06] Today so it's like a ever changing thing anyway it's like relative to the receiver I guess I keep saying that but yeah logic is like a relative thing I think.

[00:46:23] Results outcomes that's the truth maker right I mean.

[00:46:29] Yeah because when you put the word logical before the word possibility as I get descriptor it on it first of all to get boxes off what possibility is if that even makes any sense like possibility can be put into a box of logic.

[00:46:48] Again to me like the only consistent like you said logic kind of changes over time when you talk about like a logical situation or a logical you know whatever but I think the only piece of logic that does transcend time is math so again same thing for mathematical statements as you just said you know.

[00:47:11] Whatever drives probability results you know observable things I think that's that's a solid answer yeah i'm good on that one if you're ready to move on yeah yeah okay number 14 do merely possible worlds exist do merely possible worlds exist.

[00:47:37] Worlds i'm gonna i'm gonna say that worlds is not referring to the word planets like we like to say other worlds are like you know are there any other worlds that are inhabited i'm going to say that yes worlds means realms and if i'm going to use that definition for worlds then merely possible worlds there are impossible worlds.

[00:48:04] That exists right beyond the veil of our everyday waking life.

[00:48:11] I like that yeah that's that's very true and we can go back to kind of even what we were talking about earlier like the Santa Claus thing all possible worlds exist in the way as they exist as how you're thinking of them in that moment so all worlds exist or and they could possibly exist as far as i know if possible.

[00:48:34] The consciousness is infinite as well it's an infinite mind and it's absolute and I think anything is a possible existence it's nothing that limits the infinite the infinite is unlimited by its nature so first I just think conceptually and how I view the world that.

[00:48:57] There is a possible realms also like through you know psychedelic dream states you can visit entirely basically every night you visit an entirely different world and it's very most of the time it's very close to this world it'll even have the same people but there'll be slight differences sometimes there can be a tweak in gravity sometimes there could be a tweak in time.

[00:49:21] Sometimes there will be new people or new being so I would say that there are infinite possible worlds or realms and regardless they exist as how they exist right now is like the concept in your mind too so I think in both ways you could say they exist.

[00:49:38] Yeah and this directly feeds into the next question which i'll ask you real quick and we can sort of like merge them both which is.

[00:49:47] What sorts of things are possible worlds you know we just said psychedelic Santa Claus so do you have anything else to add to that yeah I would just say basically dream dream worlds psychedelic realms.

[00:50:02] Aliens alien planets but also all things that your mind can think up could exist possibly yeah I think that's you know basically kind of what we're just getting at.

[00:50:18] Yeah and probably all things that any sort of mind can perceive and this even for some reason it made me think of AI as well.

[00:50:27] It's like that almost feels to me like a like another world or it's really strange like okay bear with me here so when i'm working so my my job is basically it's computer based in all kinds of systems that communicate with the with each other and coexist.

[00:50:49] And when i'm working especially when I feel like I get into a flow state these programs that exists in the ether and communicate with one another feel like they are their own world it feels like i'm in a different world or like a different realm so I do feel like there's like sort of a digital.

[00:51:10] So possible world that exists because a world can be defined as a structured system of things that are all working together as one and that can mean so many different things so yeah the sorts of things that are possible worlds are like innumerable.

[00:51:37] Yeah that when you said that it clicked it's like yeah you could say college life as a world like anything you can kind of.

[00:51:46] Put into a world and i was also when you start talking you know AI computers and whatnot imagine all the possible worlds that we will create in simulations like we already create video game worlds we create digital worlds where you can put an avatar in there and explore the world.

[00:52:05] So we're talking about possible worlds that can be extrapolated to wild stuff where you know.

[00:52:14] We have the headsets now and you can explore our world in a digital space you know you go through museums and whatnot I think you go to go backly tepid with the goggles um so video game worlds digital worlds all that stuff are possible and real.

[00:52:33] Yeah VR worlds augmented reality worlds and who knows like maybe you can even go to worlds of the past or you can even i mean you know what comes to mind you said video game worlds there's this game called no man sky have you heard of it right where mathematically the game renders fully autonomous and.

[00:52:59] Like different worlds like unique worlds so if you extrapolate yeah if you extrapolate that idea i mean there can be an infinite amount of unique worlds that are explorable whether it be through your consciousness or through your vision it's i mean endless.

[00:53:20] Yeah I totally agree yeah that can go in a lot of different ways.

[00:53:26] Okay I think if you're ready we can move on the 15.

[00:53:32] Yeah well I think we're on run 16 right.

[00:53:36] Oh sorry yep so number 16 is is change really possible.

[00:53:43] So it seems like you couldn't take that in a lot of different ways i mean I think in a sense changes all there is I mean it's kind of like the phrase the only thing that's permanent is impermanence so it's like we're always in a flow of your consciousness like perceiving different things everything is always changing I guess you could say even in like the material realm like.

[00:54:13] Even things that don't appear to be changing if you use science and zoom in on them it's constantly changing like this again cells are dying another cells are being born.

[00:54:23] So I guess you could say things are always changing but I don't know if this is kind of like a moral question like can we change the world how did you look at this.

[00:54:33] Well first of all.

[00:54:35] I agree with what you said I do believe that the only thing that exists is change it's this constant change but if I were to take the opposite angle of this it almost like first the if you want to go on like the personal moral level or whatever then obviously changes 100% possible it happens all the time anyway right but the other side of the first.

[00:55:01] portion of my answer there was like would be like if everything.

[00:55:06] Is changing all the time and that's the only thing that actually exists.

[00:55:13] Does that mean that inherently true change is not possible because in order for some in order for that entire mechanism to truly change it would have to.

[00:55:26] It would have to cease to be or something like so stop changing yeah so there is no like there's no way to stop it there's no way to change away from the constant change if that makes any sense right yeah it's like it's a paradox right I mean yeah that's interesting I didn't think of that.

[00:55:47] I would also say and when you were talking it made me think that.

[00:55:53] Is change really possible change is is absolute in the sense of appearances and perceptions and thoughts but the one true thing as we talk about the absolute pure consciousness is the only thing that's unchanging it's just what.

[00:56:11] What enters consciousness what it what appears before it so like the underlying thing in itself like what you truly are what I truly am the one thing is eternal and unchanging but what is experienced within consciousness is ever changing.

[00:56:31] Yes that is I think that's the perfect way to put it and that's me that's a very satisfying answer to the question.

[00:56:43] So what do you think going to move on sure yeah it's my turn right i don't remember my memories bad to just ask you okay number 17 is can there be things that are in principle unobservable

[00:57:00] Can there be things that are unobservable I would say it depends like I'm assuming it means observed by the five senses well I mean to me observable could mean a bat with echolocation it could mean humans with sight it could mean it's not a good thing.

[00:57:30] And any any means of observation right what i what i'm getting well okay then is it so it's not limited to the human state of consciousness i'm guessing that's how I see it yeah that it's not limited to human consciousness well all right I would say that there are no things that are unobservable because for something to exist to pop into the awareness of existence.

[00:58:00] So I think that's what i'm going to say do you think thoughts are observable I mean you observe your thoughts correct that's what I was saying with the five senses type thing so I'm saying you can observe your thoughts yes right yeah I think that's I guess all you can do with your thoughts right.

[00:58:20] So no I don't think there's anything that's unobservable because as soon as something pops into the consciousness it's being observed by at least a thought or a sense so it's it's impossible I'd say.

[00:58:33] Yeah we brought up earlier the observer like the ultimate observer as you know maybe one step below all of being are all of consciousness so.

[00:58:43] Yeah I agree I don't think there is anything in principle that is unobservable.

[00:58:50] Right because this unobservable thing where would it exist.

[00:58:54] It would have to be outside of awareness.

[00:58:59] But it can't be because there's nothing outside of awareness as you experience throughout all of your experience always.

[00:59:08] Yeah the only thing I would say that would be unobservable would again if you were talking about.

[00:59:13] Certain things in the human world are unobservable to other beings or something like it the observation in the physical would depend on what we're equipped with in terms of our senses but.

[00:59:24] In this in terms of this question I think I think we hit it pretty hard yeah okay um 18 can one make sense of a non reductionist view of theoretical entities.

[00:59:39] I do it all the time but then again.

[00:59:44] The term make sense so if you're going to make sense to like you and I we can make sense to one another about theoretical entities that are non reductionist but if I were to try to make sense in it in terms of like the physical paradigm of description in our world here.

[01:00:06] Then no like you can't make proper sense because you can't you can't take these entities from their realm from where they're at and bring them back again into our box I mentioned earlier about a different question like you're trying to put something into a box that does not fit into that box.

[01:00:29] Yeah I agree um.

[01:00:31] I mean the way it's worded to makes it seem like reductionism is all that makes sense kind of you know it's like saying it's impossible.

[01:00:42] I think reductionism is like a useful tool I think you can make sense of things through different world views doesn't have to be a reductionist view for something to make sense and I think this kind of relies upon the observer state of consciousness.

[01:01:00] The first and state of consciousness is going to it's going to determine whether somebody can make sense of theoretical entities or whatever because I would imagine if you asked me this question some years ago when I was pretty much only aware of the reductionist way of thinking I would say then no there's no way because reductionism is the way things make sense.

[01:01:24] You know what I mean it's kind of the standard of how we make sense of thing you break it down to understand it but especially through altered states these things that were theoretical become real and they show you ways of being other than a reductionist way and it makes you see things in like what you talked about earlier which I think is a more effective method when we're talking about truth is a holistic way using like a holism type.

[01:01:54] So I think that's a good way to understand what you're talking about is to really understand yourself and you know everything around you because reductionism is very good for altering your environment as we have with you know our physical science but if I just look at a human being and I'm strictly hard knows reductionist I'm like I'm going to know more about you human being by breaking you down to your smallest parts and breaking them down their smallest parts and investigating all of them.

[01:02:22] So I think if you want to know that type of thing reductionism isn't the proper tool as I kind of went off there but yeah I agree with what you said too.

[01:02:36] You know now that I'm looking at this too can one make sense of non reductionist view of theory yes I think that the other like the only other way to go about answering this question is that to make sense of non reductionist view.

[01:02:52] Of theoretical entities the only way you can do that is through story myth and symbol yeah and through like observing archetypes because there are some really advanced high level like theoretical type of concepts that you cannot make like sense of by trying to describe them with a regular reductionist view of things but someone can tell you a story.

[01:03:21] Or a myth and then you're and then it clicks and you're like oh I understand because the story the myth the archetype it brings up something within you that allows you to reach a deeper level of understanding than regular reductionist descriptions can give you.

[01:03:40] Yeah I think that's that makes a lot of sense like definitely and like you said in myths stories tales this type of stuff it like first off I think it's fascinating is that those are the things that actually transcend time those are the things that are the longest lasting technologies you could call them of the human experience.

[01:04:02] Yeah like the allegory of the cave like Plato like that's it's like an amazing it holds so much knowledge and truth and like.

[01:04:15] Depths and it's not really reductionist I guess you'd say but also one man all sorts of yeah reductionism is one thing that is useful for you know many things but.

[01:04:30] I agree with what you said first though it's like it depends when you're saying make sense who are you trying to make sense to if it's you know your standard.

[01:04:40] You know materialists and it's going to be very difficult but if it's somebody with a more I guess you'd say elevated understanding like a higher level of consciousness.

[01:04:51] Like we can make sense to each other because we're kind of you know we're on the same wavelength here but when you start talking about the non physical.

[01:05:01] To somebody who is a reductionist it's going to be very difficult to make any sense to them.

[01:05:07] Yeah we try but.

[01:05:09] Easy it's it takes like I say it's about everything you can't convince anybody of anything in my opinion I think people have to find the thing for themselves to actually be convinced of it or to believe it truly you know you can't give anyone anything they have to learn it themselves and then they'll if they discovered on their own then there'll be a true believer.

[01:05:33] Yeah the closest you can get is to meet someone where they're at in order for them to take the concept you're describing seriously.

[01:05:43] Absolutely.

[01:05:44] That's pretty much the best you can do that is the best that's the best method.

[01:05:50] Okay was it my turn to read I don't remember.

[01:05:54] Okay number 19.

[01:05:57] Can there be aspects of reality that are in principle unknowable?

[01:06:03] Okay see to me I think that is not true.

[01:06:14] I don't think anything is unknowable.

[01:06:18] I think the only thing that is unknowable is your true nature which cannot be known it's what is underneath knowing it is being and then above being there is knowing.

[01:06:32] So you can't know being itself you can only be knowing that makes sense.

[01:06:39] So I would say the only thing that is unknowable is that which is prior to knowing which is if you're being consciousness your true nature but other than that I think everything is it's possible to know everything and I don't mean like in this state right now that I can know every trivial fact happening on earth.

[01:07:02] But I think through altered states and especially like the state of going down if you experience your true nature I think that is the state that you will know essentially everything but it's that's like the type of state that's impossible to be brought here.

[01:07:19] So from a human state I think that trivial facts are unknowable.

[01:07:26] You know I can't tell you how many ants are crawling on my street right now stupid things like that are not knowable but I think what the questions getting at is like more a deeper concept and I think all that stuff is knowable.

[01:07:39] And I think it all boils down to knowing the self when you know your true self I think that kind of begins to answer everything else that of meaning.

[01:07:49] I like that yeah it's a very good answer.

[01:07:52] I think that if I were to answer this question I would say that there are way way more things in our reality that are unknowable than are knowable and I think that is inherent in the nature of reality itself.

[01:08:12] I don't think that humans are equipped with the means to have a full grasp or full understanding of really anything.

[01:08:24] I think if you look deeply enough into everything there is an unknowable mystery, the transcendental object at the end of time or something like that.

[01:08:36] There's an absolute unknowable that is inherent in reality because we're just aren't equipped to understand everything.

[01:08:49] But if you do want to talk about things the way like the way that you're describing them, I feel like it's like you can relate

[01:09:01] the unknowable to certain knowable things or emotions like a lot of people and including myself like to equate

[01:09:13] the unknowable with like the feeling of oneness or the feeling of love.

[01:09:18] But to me that's only a relation in which you can experience a little tiny fraction of what exists outside of your knowable understanding.

[01:09:29] But when I think about it, it seems to me like the ocean of what is unknowable is vast and infinite

[01:09:39] and the little pond of the knowable. It's just a very it's a drop in that ocean to me.

[01:09:47] See I agree partially with that so I agree that as a human being that most things are unknowable.

[01:09:56] That's the game we're playing, the mystery you know. But if you are not a human being,

[01:10:03] if what you if you are actually not a human being then I think as that everything is knowable which I

[01:10:10] think is the truth. I think that you're not actually human being but you think you are right now same as me

[01:10:15] and I think that when everything when the unity occurs, the pure unity of pure being

[01:10:25] you literally integrate everything that is knowable, everything that could exist. The infinite which

[01:10:31] I would say the furthest you push at the infinite is what you are, what the being is

[01:10:36] that is veiled by the human experience. I think when the moment comes where

[01:10:43] the unity occurs and you become what you truly are, I think that everything that is possible

[01:10:48] is known because it's the infinite because anything and it's like I said it's even prior to knowing

[01:10:53] you become the thing that is right below knowing but I definitely agree that especially

[01:11:01] like the game we're playing now there are plenty of things that are unknowable but I think in the

[01:11:08] the deepest sense I think that we could know those things. I don't know if I feel like in

[01:11:14] the deepest sense these things become more unknowable. You can experience certain things that you

[01:11:22] can relate to a higher level or a deeper level of knowing but I think fundamentally even the

[01:11:34] word knowing there's still as you had said there is an understanding or there is a knowing that

[01:11:43] exists beyond the veil of what we consider you know like beyond the human veil but

[01:11:51] it seems to me that the only way we can truly dissolve the human veil 100% is to die.

[01:12:01] I do think that under the psychedelic state and meditative states we can get ever so close

[01:12:06] but it does seem to me that there's no true way to know maybe death is the only way

[01:12:16] but even that I mean it just feels like hubris to think that there's not something that exists

[01:12:25] outside of our realm or any living beings realm of no ability. You know what I mean?

[01:12:35] like because I know you had said even if you're not human, if you were something else or

[01:12:41] if you were a higher advanced level of biology or something like that

[01:12:47] there almost just seems like there's no limit to anything. That's I think what it

[01:12:52] what it boils down to to me. There's just no limit to anything and all we can do is sort of

[01:12:57] relate emotions, relate feelings to what we feel like is higher or outside of us but there will

[01:13:04] always be an outside. It's almost like a like girdles in completeness theorem comes to mind you know

[01:13:09] there's always something that is going to exist outside of what you think you know or what can

[01:13:16] be knowable. See I knew we would disagree on this too, I knew it but I see I disagree because I

[01:13:24] think that in your truest sense what you are, what consciousness is which is it's infinite.

[01:13:33] Infinite means like here's a question what could exist outside of infinity?

[01:13:41] Because if something was existing outside of infinity then it's not infinity you know what I mean?

[01:13:49] So if you become the infinite anything that could be known is united to you I think that's

[01:13:57] the moment of like ultimate unity and understanding the self like entirely like it's like it would

[01:14:04] be a state of being that is just beyond comprehension. And like I think through psychedelics I've like

[01:14:11] tasted it but like you said maybe the experience of death but then here's like another way you could

[01:14:19] look at it as well. If you can recognize yourself as consciousness in this state if you can like play

[01:14:26] with the paradox that all that exists is the absolute that this isn't just the relative realm but

[01:14:31] at the same time it's the absolute because that's all there is is this. You could say that by nature

[01:14:39] all you ever know is everything because what's within this state even as limited as it may appear

[01:14:48] everything that exists is known. You know what I'm saying does it make any does that make some sense?

[01:14:54] It does. It does a different way though. Yeah, it's looking at like the like the totality of reality

[01:15:01] based on the observer, right? Yeah. Well I'm saying like right now anything that you don't know

[01:15:11] as soon as you try to think of it it becomes right in your consciousness and then you know it or

[01:15:15] you're observing it or but yeah I that's just a kind of a fun way to like play with it and look at

[01:15:24] but I would say that kind of what I would say before is that if infinity is real and is the true

[01:15:32] nature, if everything is one, if what you are is that then you will that's all that there could be.

[01:15:41] That's what you'll experience. That's what I think we can experience. I don't think we

[01:15:47] necessarily have to die because as like you know it's not like if all that exists is eternity.

[01:15:56] If eternity is now and you are more than a human being because I know we both agree that we're

[01:16:02] not just human beings there is something that sparks everything the infinite consciousness. I think

[01:16:11] when you integrate with that when you become that then you can know everything in some sense and

[01:16:19] I would say this you might actually like this better because the words might actually be

[01:16:24] messing with us a little bit but like you know it by being it and I think you would agree with that

[01:16:29] in a moment of being the infinite, right? But I would also agree with you in saying that

[01:16:36] in this in the dream and not even just the human experience in the DMT realm and any type of

[01:16:43] wild state of consciousness that isn't the unity, the infinite that there will always be the mystery.

[01:16:50] And I think it's funny because the infinite can only know the infinite so that's another

[01:16:57] actually strange thing because when you're infinite you can only know the infinite so you have to

[01:17:01] become finite to know the finite so I says in a finite mind can't know the infinite. So maybe

[01:17:08] even the infinite can't it'll know everything except the finite so it'll know itself as infinity

[01:17:16] and totality but it won't know anything finite until it becomes finite.

[01:17:22] I like that. I do. So the way I look at it is what we perceive or experience as infinite,

[01:17:35] you know, we can merge with the infinite, we can feel a small piece of it. I feel like there is

[01:17:40] ever more infinity that exists outside of that and like it almost feels like a multiverse of

[01:17:47] infinities that goes on forever and experientially. Yes.

[01:17:53] Like, and like it you know, experientially it seems like there is experience beyond what we consider

[01:18:02] the infinite whether or not it depends on the type of tools that the biological entity has that

[01:18:09] is that is defining infinite like needs to expand outward into ever infinity,

[01:18:17] infinity creating infinity or something like it just feels like nothing can possibly end and

[01:18:26] everything has to be an ever present mystery. It almost seems like no matter what our state of

[01:18:35] consciousness there's always an ever present mystery that exists beyond our grasp.

[01:18:43] Well, yes. So I would say that like

[01:18:47] I would argue that there is that you wouldn't even merge with the infinity. You would just become

[01:18:53] aware that you are infinity because you already I would say you already are that but I would

[01:18:57] agree with what you were saying like infinity by its nature is eternal and forever it's ever

[01:19:04] expanding. So when you're when you would merge with infinity, you'd be being the infinite

[01:19:12] and you would know only the infinite through being it. So I think that's just the way I think it

[01:19:22] would that's the best way I could say it that I think the way it works. I do think that any

[01:19:30] because like I said before if you are infinite, if you are the infinity which is all that it would

[01:19:36] exist which what consciousness is if you are that in its totality even though it's ever expansive and

[01:19:44] infinite and eternal there could be nothing outside of it meaning there could be nothing outside

[01:19:50] of you. So there's nothing outside of you to know until you become finite again or just you know what I'm

[01:19:57] saying yeah but also if what you are is actually infinity, there's nothing outside of you to know

[01:20:06] and you can be infinity you can feel infinity but being it I think in knowing it I do not think go

[01:20:15] hand in hand. I think they're they're two very different things I think being infinity does not

[01:20:21] necessarily give you access to knowing infinity and like as this question has said, can there be

[01:20:27] aspects of reality that are in principle unknowable what if I asked you can there be aspects of

[01:20:34] reality that are in principle unbeatable that I would think you would just say no two straight up

[01:20:40] like you can be all of it but I just because you can be it I don't think necessarily means you can

[01:20:48] know it. Well I would see yeah that's like the words are weird but I would say though and I

[01:20:56] see what you're saying but I think the highest form of knowing something would be to be it.

[01:21:04] Nobody can know me more than I do through being me. So I think like I said knowing happens after being

[01:21:14] so it's through being it's like it encapsulates the knowing to a even higher extent.

[01:21:19] Very interesting stuff. Very good question. I think this is my favorite question so far.

[01:21:29] Do you think you want to move on? Yeah, what number are we on?

[01:21:33] I think we are on 19. Is it my turn? Oh no, we're on 12 or 20 yes. Yeah.

[01:21:43] Should I go? Yeah, sure. Okay. Why is there something rather than nothing?

[01:21:54] Well, there must be an order for nothing to be even a concept that is encapsulated within reality

[01:22:04] there must be something. This is the same question essentially as the one earlier which was can

[01:22:10] something exist without being like relative to something else. And I think this is like a

[01:22:16] just an extrapolation of that question or maybe a deeper foundational level of that question.

[01:22:22] So why is there something rather than nothing? There can only be something.

[01:22:31] Yeah, I think it's kind of like a paradox in a sense because

[01:22:35] there's that's a duality there. Something and nothing. And those are like

[01:22:42] we are trained as human beings and just our conceptual thinking

[01:22:49] that nothing has to look a certain way. Because you know when you hear like Buddhist,

[01:22:56] they talk about the highest states of no thing. Nothing. So I think what you could say

[01:23:04] is that like something or nothing would be a duality that can be transcended

[01:23:10] to nothing. Nothing. So when you see like nothing can look like what we call something

[01:23:17] or you get like that's why I say maybe it's paradoxical in a sense because

[01:23:21] it's like nothing can appear to look like anything but it's still that core pure,

[01:23:34] I don't want to say blank but pure consciousness just appearing as what we call something.

[01:23:39] But it's like the no thing. It's nothing but an appearance of something.

[01:23:45] Yeah, and nothing. Nothing looks like a dark room or something.

[01:23:52] Yeah, but it looks like what happens when you close your eyes.

[01:23:55] But yeah. And that's the thing though. But if we think that but then a dark room is still

[01:24:00] something and still in experience. Yeah, when you think of a black void,

[01:24:04] you're like what does nothing look like? A black void is something.

[01:24:08] So I think what nothing is is something like especially I mean,

[01:24:13] right, it's the it's a paradox. So that's like a duality. I think if you look at any like

[01:24:19] polar opposite duality, it can somehow be like transcended and combined into

[01:24:26] like I would say capital N nothing. So it encapsulates both but it's like a transcendent version of them.

[01:24:34] Yeah, it's almost like the words something and nothing they don't mean anything.

[01:24:39] They only mean something in relation to one another anyway. Right. So there is I mean,

[01:24:45] so the answer to this question is just like shrug basic. Yeah, I think that combined them.

[01:24:51] It's either all something or all nothing because like our language and in order to be humans

[01:24:57] and communicate it's all going to be dualistic. But if we can agree that fundamentally

[01:25:04] there is one ultimate that encapsulates everything. I think that's why most I would say all.

[01:25:11] I mean, I'm not that I'm aware of all of them but you can look at do all dualities and like transcend

[01:25:18] them and combine them in some way or form they're becoming more aware. I mean, I've tried to do this

[01:25:25] and some I just like totally struggle with but a lot of them it's interesting when you really

[01:25:29] think about them. You can transcend a lot of these dualities and kind of see the relativity

[01:25:37] and everything just like have a different look at things. But yeah, that's always the most

[01:25:42] interesting question that you hear a lot wise or something rather than nothing but I don't think it's

[01:25:49] answerable in the way people want it to be. Yeah, that's what makes it a fun question because

[01:25:55] it's really not it's not a legitimate question. It really isn't right. Yeah, I think you're right.

[01:26:03] Well, it looks like we have gone through 20 questions here. There are a bunch more and we are going

[01:26:11] to definitely pick this up because I love doing these types of episodes where we're prompted with

[01:26:16] questions. It gives us some really interesting things to talk about and challenges our own beliefs.

[01:26:21] Once in a great while we disagree on one, but generally where you know we bounce the ideas off

[01:26:26] of one another and are in agreement. Yeah, I think that we agree on most things. There's like a

[01:26:33] couple of things we'll disagree on here and there, but I think at the core we are like the we're

[01:26:39] at the same core, but different flavors kind of. You know, we can't we're not going to it's good

[01:26:45] there's going to be differences, but it's definitely interesting. I think it's funny that when you

[01:26:53] like look up metaphysical questions, you get better questions than if you look up philosophical.

[01:26:58] Yeah, yes exactly. I think so. You get deeper ones. Yeah, because philosophical questions I think a

[01:27:05] lot of times are based in like established philosophies, right? Whereas metaphysics is like just

[01:27:12] this broad spectrum of questions that could be endless. Indeed. Yeah, I'm excited to keep going,

[01:27:21] then there's like 57 questions here so we can pick it back up and get back into it.