60. Psychedelics, Healing, and Ancient Mysteries

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[00:02:33] On your pursuit of truth, your you know spiritual path that you've been on. Have you yet, I imagine you have but have you yet encountered like what they would call the dark night of the soul or like a in learning a new truth about reality some maybe panic or despair or

[00:02:57] have you had any type of I guess existential crises over, you know, something that you've learned through, you know psychedelics or whatever methods that you use.

[00:03:11] I would say early in my exploration of psilocybin, there were a lot of existential questions and things like that.

[00:03:22] I've had some dark night of the soul experiences while on psilocybin like going through the psychedelic experience and actually having that heroes journey trajectory.

[00:03:34] But surprisingly I haven't really had any true dark night of the soul type journey situations where outside of the medicine, I felt in some sort of existential despair generally what the experience of destroying my paradigms has done for me has been it's been positive for the most part you know it's it's been

[00:04:01] that in ability to or an opportunity to put my psyche back together in a way that is

[00:04:10] we'll say more efficient, more informed than it was prior and more comfortable within my own self. So haven't had too many experiences the dark night of the soul outside of actually in the experience itself how about you.

[00:04:25] I pretty much agree with like your experience that's kind of what I've had more like earlier on in my path, I think I've had some moments like that especially of course I think most people will have that on a high dose of psychedelics you'll go through some you know paradigm shattering experiences and learn things about yourself and reality.

[00:04:51] But when they think of that is in my study of like epistemology and just my contemplation exercises there was a time where I wouldn't say I was

[00:05:05] convinced of solipsism but I was contemplating solipsism just thinking about it. Solipsism being that the only thing that exists is my finite mind that basically everyone else is an NPC in a sense like it

[00:05:24] because it's like with epistemology I thought about basically I mean I kind of knew this already but I really focused on the realization that there's no way I could ever know that anyone else was conscious in the sense of sentient.

[00:05:40] So it's when you contemplate that and think on it it's like you can attach yourself I can see how solipsism is like I don't want to say an attractive idea but an idea that people could latch onto because in a sense it's hard to disprove.

[00:05:58] I think there are experiences you can have where you will discover that it's not the truth but I think that's from my experience mainly only from you know some type of intense psychedelic experience.

[00:06:12] But I don't know have you ever contemplated solipsism or what are your thoughts on solipsism?

[00:06:19] Yeah I think solipsism is one of the early lessons that I sort of learned and I think it's a valuable one as well but it never brought me to a place of negativity but what I see now is I was green you know what I mean I was less experienced and I was more easily

[00:06:38] completely common-deared by an idea than I am now more attached to my ideas so when I did have something come up like a true solipsism you know type mindset I got lost in it a little bit but not lost in a bad way like it didn't make me feel bad or anything like that it didn't I didn't have trouble contemplating it or integrating it into my life at the time.

[00:07:04] But you know what I've been learning now is that everything that we every label every philosophy every way of contemplating the infinite or the great mystery is just a framework and it's just a perspective from a mindset that maybe had an experience or had a few experiences that led you to think that way.

[00:07:33] But none of these things are finite none of these things are actual accurate ways of describing what the mystery is and what I'm realizing now is that the more perspectives that you can come at something from the more context you have to learn about it in a deep way

[00:07:51] and I try not to marry myself to any of my ideas because I know that they're just my ideas you know they're just there my experience and I've been doing this blue morpho academy course and shout out to the cohort and shout out to my show Hamilton one of the things that he teaches is that when a lot of people talk about say the psychedelic experience when they talk about I was go when I talk about mushrooms will say you know mushrooms is the

[00:08:21] this the spirit of the mushroom is that you know what you'll experience is this and what he taught us to sort of frame things in is a perspective of in my experience it's this.

[00:08:35] This one time I felt it was like this it showed itself it presented itself like this because especially in the psychedelic realm things are going to always be changing growing evolving and after 10 20 30 40 50 experiences you're never going to have the same perspective as you did at 20 experiences or whatever it's always going to be changing it's always going to be evolving.

[00:09:02] And it's important to not put any sort of definitive statements on your philosophy or how you look at things whether it be through religious lens or through you know an epistemological lens.

[00:09:14] Yeah and I notice like as far as putting a like a label like psychedelics are this or that I've noticed and at least you know talking to people about their experience like I've talked to quite a few people about you know usually it's about mushrooms more the people I know more people that I've done

[00:09:31] Silas I been and it's really crazy because if I sit there and say you know a mushroom experience is X but they tell me theirs and it's totally different than the things I experience and I think it's such a personal journey to go through it's like it's impossible to tell someone what they're going to experience on mushrooms just I think the one thing you can say pretty definitively is that

[00:09:59] Silas I've been as powerful and that's about it you can't go in at much more detail because I've heard you know such varying experiences and even like continuing varied experiences like one person I'll talk to a single person who each time experiences

[00:10:17] Silas I've been differently than I do so it's like it I think it's you know totally dependent on the individual to see for themselves like I imagine you know before you ever did mushrooms you did a lot of research and looked into it and prepared yourself but nothing can truly prepare you for the experience

[00:10:39] I know no other person can tell you what it is yeah and that's why when somebody asks me what it feels like or what the experience is like it's really hard to describe it to them I try to use words that I think they'll understand that can fit within their cultural context

[00:10:57] and I always start by saying in my experience this is how it felt or this is how it was or at this particular trip in this particular moment in my spiritual path this is what it was like but when I like to say it if people is like I can't tell you what the experience is going to be like because it can have such a wide range of variety

[00:11:21] but what I will say to you is that it has the potential to be one of the most powerful experiences of your life and it's most likely going to be very powerful what direction it goes in that's up to you you know if it's a situation where like I'm sitting for someone then you know I can tell them you know I'm here for you if anything does go wrong or if things you know whatever direction it goes in it's going to be okay because I'm going to be here to help ground you in this and that

[00:11:50] even when I'm taking the substance with the person it's the same you know I'm going to be here for you here to ground you here to help you through it but yeah I like to say it's just going to be powerful I don't know in what direction it's going to go but that's about it.

[00:12:04] It's something that like you don't really think about in your standard state of consciousness is basically how limited language is because it really works well for our standard survival needs and just you know our normal living and then it's like not till when you take psychedelics at least for me is like when I realized how limited language really is it's like and a lot of my experiences it's like I can't talk.

[00:12:34] Because it's like you can't the language is so limited that you could never convey what's happening I mean it's just it's something that you know one of my experiences that I like just watched language is fall apart and turning to nothing and it's just it's so strange that you can have these experiences something as simple as that can really change things in your life or give you an insight that you couldn't have really truly gotten any other way.

[00:13:03] You could have maybe had the insight but not in a such an impactful and like true way.

[00:13:09] Yeah that's the interesting thing about psychedelics is that there are different ways to learn you sit in front of a teacher and they tell you words and they give you a book to read or something you take notes and you have this teaching you've been taught something you've been given knowledge by you know some sort of superior authority figure but with psychedelics they teach you through experience it's a different kind of learning.

[00:13:32] Through the blue morpho academy we had a live zoom ceremony where our our master shaman instructor my show Hamilton souter he was conducting an ayahuasca ceremony in Peru at the same time as he was conducting like the ceremony for us like we we shared through zoom the experience of having an ayahuasca ceremony and people took their own substances I happen to take mushrooms.

[00:14:03] And it was a wonderful learning experience and you know near the end of the peak you know that's the reason I bring it up is because I really resonate with that that teaching aspect of it through experience because I just felt the mushroom teaching me things that weren't language based and that weren't earthly they weren't something that I could put into words but I just kept thinking to myself god these things are just the most amazing magical wonderful teachers.

[00:14:31] But if somebody would have asked me what did you learn I can't really say you know I can't tell you in a few sentences it's an experiential type of learning yeah it's like rearranging of your DNA or something it's there the teaching is there and it has a true effect but it's not something that you can convey or give anyone else that's a thing like

[00:14:55] you see this in regular life to it's like when you tell someone something if that you can't convince anyone of anything that's how I'm convinced of that if someone has an opposing view or doesn't quite want to know what you're saying or understand it or they just are stuck to their belief you can't teach anyone anything but if they come to that same like the your conclusion based on their own research or something you know if they come up with it on their own

[00:15:24] then they will adopt it and truly believe it and then they'll defend that one basically that belief but yet it's like having experience is the best teacher for sure.

[00:15:35] Yeah man you've learned to trouble when again you marry yourself to your ideas and we all do that to an extent you know if somebody walked into this room right now and they told me that

[00:15:45] you know psilocybin mushrooms were actually cultivated on the earth by the devil and you know they're here to sway you away from true spirituality I would feel offended by that now I feel the need to defend my position but again that's it's being married to a position so even though it comes from a good place and I believe it comes from a place of experience

[00:16:06] and it comes from a place of love and knowledge it's still an idea I'm still married to it which is again is what I go back to I like to say in my experience this is how it felt this is how it seemed as how it was not this is how it is this is what God is this is what religion is even though

[00:16:26] if you press me enough I do have opinions on those things.

[00:16:30] And I can like relate with that a lot because I enjoy like debating and you know going back and forth and you know figuring out whose idea can shine or when I enjoy that and so it's hard for me and I've gotten better at this but

[00:16:50] it's hard for me to not defend an opinion and one of the things that I've done and like kind of a mode I try to put myself in is to like view perspectives as things as things to collect not correct so I'll try to just collect as many perspectives as I can while also sharing maybe my beliefs but not in a way where I want to see who's this better or if I can prove to be right in some type of way.

[00:17:20] Just collect as many perspectives as possible because I've come it's hard to say this but I think it is inherently true that each perspective is is very valuable no matter how wrong it may seem to you or if it's like the polar opposite it's still very valuable and there are people that live that as true as you live yours so it's like there's something valuable to me that I think

[00:17:50] of trying to as I take collect the experiences or the perspectives. Yeah, I mean other perspectives just brought in the context in which you can understand your own

[00:18:02] and it gives your perspective life it actually contextualizes your experience to begin with.

[00:18:08] And you know with a lot of things that I personally find like very important like a lot of the ideas we talk about on this podcast

[00:18:18] I found that it is pretty difficult to convey them to someone who is on like a totally different wavelength let alone convince them not even convinced them just kind of have them understand it in a certain way

[00:18:32] and I think you know there are some people who will you know you tell them about consciousness and the way reality is and the kind of speaking of idealism and you know spirituality

[00:18:43] and if somebody isn't some people are so you know against that way of thinking that that's where I think psychedelics are beautiful because I might not be able to convince you but the experience

[00:18:55] of a psychedelic will teach you at the very least it's not going to give you answers if you're not looking but it will show you that things are not as they appear to be

[00:19:04] and often will open you up to you know different ways of thinking.

[00:19:09] Yeah it's funny you say that because last weekend I think it was about last now, weekend before last I was up here actually

[00:19:18] and I was talking to someone here and we were discussing a particular person that we know that was sort of going down like a path that we didn't necessarily think was best for them

[00:19:32] and I had voiced my concern for that person and for their feelings and what they've been through and sort of what brought them to the position to make the decisions that they're making

[00:19:42] and the person I was talking to said you're too soft and I was like no it's not about being soft it's about having compassion and cultivating compassion for yourself

[00:19:52] and everybody else in your life and some people just can't hear that they don't have that perspective they haven't had the experience of maybe being broken down to you know

[00:20:03] a point where you you have to learn compassion or you can't make it through whatever's going going on in your life.

[00:20:09] And you know that comes with the understanding of like the oneness of reality it's like that's it I miss I mentioned in the early goings

[00:20:19] of the podcast something that not I don't want to say something that disturbed you or diagnose the soul something that just you had to contend with

[00:20:29] is that when you have that realization and understanding of the oneness of that what you are is me you know the whole thing that it's not like oh no you're just kind of like me it's like no that is you you're looking at yourself

[00:20:42] and you know your true self not your ego so it's like then you have to really deal with becoming more compassionate and empathetic like it just has to happen

[00:20:53] it's like because you know you can feel and you know what they're going through is it's you going through it so it allows you to become more empathetic with people

[00:21:04] but it's also kind of hard because when you see horrible things happening around the world and it's not as easy to brush it off when you see people going through tough experiences

[00:21:14] it's like you can often take on those feelings and and that can be difficult sometimes and I don't let that happen to me too much

[00:21:23] but it will happen sometimes.

[00:21:27] Yeah, I think the benefit that I had was when I was a kid when I was younger I always inhabited this sort of mode of compassion

[00:21:37] and it didn't fit into the schooling society that I was in. It didn't fit into the working society that I was in after I left school

[00:21:48] every paradigm that I found myself in felt I felt this unnatural form of contentment around me that just didn't work

[00:21:58] and then when it took psychedelics it expanded my ability to appreciate and understand compassion itself

[00:22:08] and it felt like I was finally waking up into myself because I was able to just sort of disregard all of the negativity, all of the dark energies that have that were cultivating around me

[00:22:23] and it felt natural. It felt like I was coming into my own and like I was coming home like I could finally be okay within myself standing in this position of compassion

[00:22:34] so I think maybe I got lucky in that way to where I didn't have to contend with any sort of mode of thought that I was stuck in that was opposite of compassion

[00:22:45] that's why like I love Buddhism so much and I love Hinduism because there's a lot of sects of Hinduism like Bakti where it's all about love and compassion and the heart

[00:22:54] and these are the things that resonate with me and psychedelics helped me to realize that there are versions of this, there are philosophies of this that are widespread that you can find study and learn from.

[00:23:08] Yeah as far as like the empathy thing it's like it can be this is I'll tell you the scale in which I'm talking about what I was saying basically

[00:23:19] I found myself feeling stupid at times because like even with somebody that you're like having an argument with it's hard to have an argument with them when you remind yourself of what's really happening

[00:23:30] you're just yelling at a mirror you're arguing with a mirror basically I mean on many different levels because first off what you're looking at is just your projection of the person

[00:23:41] and then turns out that projection of the person is a reflection of you and that is you on many different levels.

[00:23:48] So like I find myself I don't argue with people as much anymore because it's silly in a way but then it goes from that to on a large scale of like understanding that like war that's happening

[00:24:01] and it's like instead of I wouldn't say it's a negative thing I'd say it's a positive thing instead of brushing it off and behind that has nothing to do with me.

[00:24:09] I have to actually recognize that it does affect me on my deeper self like it is because it's me going through those things even not just just because my perceptions aren't showing me that doesn't mean that it's not happening.

[00:24:24] And just I wanted to touch on how you just ended what you're saying there it's like all that that you just described it just shows why psychedelics are so important for mental health it's like so many people have to I know they do they say we have a mental health crisis feel like how you just describe like they just don't fit into this paradigm or the culture that we're indoctrinated into and told is truth.

[00:24:53] It's like so they're battling like for truth in their soul and it's like if a psychedelic can relieve that I think that's something amazing that we have to you know really educate people about.

[00:25:09] And the thing is it's like I think a big reason why people are feeling that way especially is there's no spirituality in our culture there's no true connection to the divine like in a real way where you live your everyday life through the divine.

[00:25:28] You have a real connection with it and then you experience life as such that just doesn't exist in Western culture I'm sure there are you know groups of religious people some that that kind of feel that you know and but we're more secular than ever right now and people that we have the meaning crisis people don't have any purpose.

[00:25:51] And I think you know delving into spirituality and really delving into it not just saying I'm a spiritual person but really giving it a try and then seeing where that takes you and I think like you're a perfect example and the same for me I think it's changed my life in a way that I quite literally could have never imagined I couldn't have imagined.

[00:26:17] The paradigm that I'm living in now like the way that that reality is to me is night and day compared to what it was it's like it's like a basically a death and a rebirth.

[00:26:30] It's magic it is true your magic there's no other word for it I've never seen anything that is remotely close to having the power and the ability for change in healing as it's like a delix I mean maybe on bias maybe I haven't tried enough things but man this seems like a streamlined route directly to the source of healing energies of the universe.

[00:27:00] It allows you to just heal I mean and it's not even like you have to go in there and re experience your traumas or something you're not going to.

[00:27:10] To a psychologist and talking about you know experiences in your past that destroyed you or something in that that bring back those traumas like you're being healed of your traumas without re experiencing them and that to me is such a gift.

[00:27:28] And it seems like with psychedelics that there is some like super intelligence to it where it's like it's orchestrated a lot of times my trips feel like they are orchestrated like by God that's the only way I could put it it's like it's just after it's done and I look back it's like it couldn't have been more perfect it was absolute perfection like the way you will be taken through possible trials and tribulations and shown something then brought somewhere and like you know you just go.

[00:27:57] All these places and it all is straight perfection and you know before I was you know practicing any of this and I was still atheist.

[00:28:10] I remember feeling like basically that there was no mystery no magic that you know we and it's even hard to say now because like I thought that we had it all figured out like that we've you know colored in all the spaces on the map.

[00:28:30] I thought that you know there was no mystery or no magic and now it's like everything I look at has is magical like it's like the reality itself life itself is pure fucking magic like there's nothing.

[00:28:47] It's indescribable I wish you know if I would have been this me talking to the old me they'd be I would be looking at myself like I were crazy I'd be like what happened to you.

[00:28:58] Because in that point of my life I was also so sure of all my perspectives and my ideas I was married to them like you know my identity was my opinions basically you know I was what I believed you know I just you know I it's I could see how people it's so easy for us to fall into like these identity politics all this stuff I think it's such an effective weapon to you know divide people because it's.

[00:29:28] In our nature if we have no divinity and we're not chasing or working through some form of spirituality we we attach on to something else I mean it's in a human beings nature to worship and if you don't worship the divine you're going to worship the mundane.

[00:29:46] And it that's not a good way to live I mean it's it's always going to come up short.

[00:29:53] Yeah this is the idea that like if you believe in where if you live your life as if you believe in Christ it's going to lead to a better outcome you know it's funny these are all tools religion like a galaxy things they're all tools to live a better life.

[00:30:11] And instead of looking at these tools as descriptions of reality and descriptions of things that we can't even really understand and hold I think it would be a great advantage to us if we looked at these things as what they were as tools as technology as ways of navigating.

[00:30:31] Yeah I like that I think it's definitely a an interesting way to look at like psychedelics specifically as technology I mean it's so much more than that but it's like that is what it is in a sense it's like a spirit tech you know it's some type of.

[00:30:48] Otherworldly technology and it can do things that are you know you know it's before the experience there's no way you could have possibly comprehended the reality of what you are capable of experiencing.

[00:31:03] And you just mentioned to just maybe think of this like belief and you know if you believe in Christ just you know act like Christ you know that type of thing between belief and action

[00:31:17] I often wonder sometimes like if someone says that they believe in Christ and they know the teachings but they don't act like Christ at all I sometimes I feel like that person might not really believe you know it's like I think it's easy to say you believe in things but if you live your everyday life like they don't exist I don't think you actually believe them.

[00:31:44] It's like that's the best example maybe think of is like even with like UFOs aliens like you ask a lot of people that think that maybe aliens that aliens exist and it's like you really believe that they're like yeah but they don't behave like they do because if they really knew it there would be a massive change in behavior I think.

[00:32:04] So it's interesting it just made me think of that like the interaction between belief and action it's I think the true way to see what someone believes is basically just how they act.

[00:32:18] And their practice yes you know I just spoke to to Lamas or your dots recently and this is a guy who has practice man he has training from some of the greatest llamas to ever live.

[00:32:30] The Dalai Lama himself calls him you know the American Lama this dude really has a breath of knowledge and experience same with like Ram Das anybody who has gone down the path and has taken it seriously and has done the practices whether it be through psychedelics or spirituality you can really tell in that person you know because there's like a there's a humility is a particular sense of humor that people have that have been.

[00:33:00] To these places that is attractive it's refreshing yeah they like to do peace it's just like a very peaceful or just content you know void of lack that's the thing we as human beings were always feeling that we are in lack we lack something we have we need something but those people are the types that they realize the people that you just mentioned.

[00:33:27] They they're not in lack that they have everything they need they understand that to like a very high level and you know you mentioned people like Ram Das all these like.

[00:33:37] Spiritual masters in the sense it's like the very awesome thing about this practice that what we're talking about here is that that type of thing is available to everyone by your very nature.

[00:33:51] It is available to you you have all the tools needed to become that type of person get into that state of mind and understand things in a different way where you don't have to be feeling like you're in lack constantly and you don't have to be just always upset about something that's going to happen or upset about something that did happen.

[00:34:12] You know it's the accessibility is amazing you don't have to have money you don't have to you know it's just there for everybody.

[00:34:22] Yeah I mean if I want to be a professional baseball player I can't I literally cannot do it I don't have the gifts I didn't have you know the training all that stuff but at any time in your life at any time any person can start this path.

[00:34:38] And can achieve a degree of what we call enlightenment I don't like using that word but I've I'm coming around to it a little more you know as I read certain texts and as I listen to certain people describe.

[00:34:54] You know what it is or what it can be I still don't believe that you could just like become enlightened and then you're like this spiritual fucking you know God that's floating on air all it's you know what I mean but there are I think degrees of awakening sure that's what I would more prefer to call it instead of enlightenment because enlightenment sort of implies an end goal and there is no end to this we're going to be doing this forever until the second I translate.

[00:35:24] So I'm going to transition from this plane to the next I want to be learning and I want to be evolving.

[00:35:31] See you bring up enlightenment like I agree the word seems to have like so much baggage it's like people here and they they get all sorts of ideas in their head I mean it's really just a word first off so but I like Rupert Spira the is like a non dual teacher and I like the way he talks about enlightenment he just downplays it like crazy because in it he's like

[00:35:54] he's kind of right I mean he is right but the way he puts it basically is like enlightenment first off he said what you said I don't even like to use the word which I understand like everybody expects that enlightenment is going to be this like massive experience with you know lights and colors is going to be just this crazy thing.

[00:36:16] And the way he puts it is like no enlightenment doesn't have to be that at all.

[00:36:21] He basically says it's just when you recognize what you are like recognize what is actually going on recognize your true nature and it doesn't have to be deep in the DMT round with the machine elves you could just be sitting there I mean Rupert Spira is a perfect example of somebody who didn't use the psychedelic path he used what he called the direct path.

[00:36:42] And he is one of the wisest people that I'd love to listen to and it's like it's awesome to hear somebody like him say the things he says knowing that he never touched the psychedelic which is like all these things that that he teaches are pretty much teachings of the psychedelic as well.

[00:37:00] I mean and that's why I think there are so many methods to get there because no matter what truth remains truth.

[00:37:07] There are so many methods to get there and there are so many different types of things that you can learn from psychedelics because there are so many different types of frequencies and energies that are in there you know there's the healing energies there's you know the wisdom energies the intelligence energies the energies of the heart that can teach you yeah I mean there are so many things that they can teach you but then there's also the tricksters and there's you know the imposter energies they there's so much wild shit in the psilocybin realm especially.

[00:37:35] And man there's just so many paths you can take to learn from it which is why I just I adore it man yeah and that's why it's like impossible to tell someone what their experience will be like because it varies so much like you said all those different things all can happen.

[00:37:50] I mean there's like a there's so many different avenues that it can go and that's one of the reasons why it for me doesn't really get easier to do it's like right before because there's still you know you've done this before you know it's powerful you know that you've had a

[00:38:05] amazing breakthrough experiences but you know you've also had hard experiences challenging ones so it's like even though you've taken it it's you could go in many different avenues different ways you don't know what it'll be.

[00:38:18] So it's still it's like every time you still have to pay the price and ever it's not like easy where it's just like oh on an expert now let me just do this because the moment you do that you're gonna get slapped down the possibility is around this.

[00:38:31] And your intention is so so important it changes everything like my intentions are slightly different than they used to be you know going through this academy and everything you know my intentions have become to sort of communicate with the spirits of the mushrooms and.

[00:38:49] To basically like befriend them so that they're my allies so I can learn how to transmute their energy and help other people during experiences that's like the basis of sitting and facilitating for people is you know being able to use and harness and guide the direction of the spirit of the molecule to you know to heal people essentially that's why I said you know there's these there's healing energies there's until it's not.

[00:39:18] There's energies there's intelligence energies there's wisdom and depending on where you want to go what your intention is for the experience you know you can you can have the intention to just open your heart.

[00:39:31] And it'll help you to open your heart but that might be a very different experience and if you go in with an intention to acquire wisdom or knowledge or help someone or heal someone or heal trauma.

[00:39:43] There's so many different utilities that these substances provide which is why they are the ultimate consciousness technology.

[00:39:51] And like all of those different experiences are going to be vastly different for each person too which is also fascinating because what I've realized is like I mean it's it's pretty obvious but

[00:40:05] it's the knowledge that you bring in to the experience and also your past experience that you bring into the experience just affects the experience completely.

[00:40:16] That's why the work that you do outside of the experience is important you do the work outside the experience then you come into the experience with more knowledge more understanding and you can be propelled even further rather than you know that's why there's such a vast difference between basically what we're talking about here.

[00:40:33] And then I would say the vast majority of people who take Silasibon or LSD whatever you hear them like the concert goers the ones that you know they take it and even like a you know sometimes a decent dose is usually lower dose than we're talking about when people do this but they'll take a decent dose.

[00:40:49] And they're not in the position to get the type of experience we're talking about because it's not in sound on their radar I found like for you I could tell obviously it was and like for me because I have experience with both the first time I did psychedelics it was more in the kind of just see what happens you know it's still great and amazing but the potentials of psychedelics weren't even on my radar yet and my curiosity was it was

[00:41:18] it was it was there but it wasn't as deep it didn't have the depth that it had after you know doing more work and understanding more things about myself.

[00:41:28] And so after I see the vast difference between what a psychedelic experience can be on either end and it's night and day.

[00:41:37] And also integration is very, very important people that have big profound experiences and then don't properly integrate them into their life have a harder time sort of adjusting to the new framework that they've been given or given access to and I find that.

[00:41:57] For me integration is based in how big a role is this new perspective going to have in your life how large a part of your heart has been filled by this and how much are you going to dedicate yourself to walking this path.

[00:42:19] Like this podcast is integration look what we're doing you do.

[00:42:24] And sometimes like yeah like when you said the where you know the matrix thing it's like oh like it could be scary because like to realize in a sense that you are all alone in a sense you are totally alone.

[00:42:40] And that can be scary for people and I noticed this was thinking about it and you look at the word alone and it's all one like it's all one and that doesn't seem as scary that way in your loan you are all one.

[00:42:55] And it's like a that's like a beautiful thing it's not a scary thing and especially like you know it allows you to have deeper connections I think too like really appreciate people and appreciate the moment sometimes I find myself now in like very like just average situation.

[00:43:18] And then I realize like this is the best moment ever like it's just there's it's perfect it's perfect now the hard thing and this is where like it really comes into play is like in moments of suffering can you do that.

[00:43:34] And it's not easy it's a tall order and I think people like you know Rondas Rupert Spire these people that you consider enlightened or ascended masters like they can do they can hold that energy in that piece in deep suffering.

[00:43:50] And you know it's such a powerful thing and it's it's it's powerful for everyone around them they say like just to witness that shows you that it's possible and you know it's I luckily I haven't had anything of late be two major in suffering but you know everybody suffers it's it to varying degrees at different points in their experience.

[00:44:16] And I found that I can remind myself during suffering like experience suffering I can remind myself of what is what the truth is what I am and then it helps but in certain circumstances is a tall order.

[00:44:34] Yeah, I've been lucky like you psychologically I haven't really had you know too many traumatic suffering type experiences as of late but.

[00:44:45] Unluckily I do have Crohn's disease so in great moments of physical pain I find myself trying to to achieve this and trying to do this.

[00:44:56] And again, I keep bringing up blue morphal Academy but it's a big part of my life right now and truly teaching me so much the basis of this is what are our instructor calls sanctuary you're you invoke sanctuary and there are three tenants I won't get too far into it but essentially it's like it's a code for your consciousness to

[00:45:14] to ground yourself feel harmonize reorient and it's a really beautiful thing it's a great technology and you know part of the reason why we hadn't recorded in a while is because we were both super sick.

[00:45:30] And during my illness I had just this insane headache that lasted like three days long one of the worst migraines I've ever had and during this migraine you know i'm trying to invoke sanctuary and I'm trying to ground my life.

[00:45:43] I'm trying to ground myself and I'm trying to sort of you know work my way through it in just the way that you were describing and it works but it's not magic right it doesn't take away the pain what it does is it creates a safe place to heal and reorient and that I think is the most valuable part of it.

[00:46:09] And it can make you at peace with not being at peace yeah in a way it's it's also like it's just easier for me to appreciate the little things it's like because yeah we were both sick and you know I felt horrible and I thought of this quote I don't know the exact quote but you'll get the gist and it's like a healthy man wants a million things he wants a million dollars he wants you know everything.

[00:46:38] And a sick man just wants to be healthy and it's like you know I'm sitting there sick and I'm like all I want is to not be sick so it's like when I get better remember that you know I have everything I need I don't need to walk around living in the lack and being like I need more of this I need more of that no remember how you felt when you're sick.

[00:46:59] You have everything you ever wanted from that moment to now you just wanted not be sick you wanted health that's it and yeah it just opens your eyes the things like that's.

[00:47:10] I think about that every time I'm sick and I thought about that so much this this last past illness and it's funny you bring it up when we were little kids we were little when you know our mom would ask us a question she used to say to us would you rather be sick?

[00:47:28] And rich have everything in the world or poor and healthy and as dumb kids I don't know about you but I always always say you know what if I'm sick I can deal with this sickness and I'll just take the wealth.

[00:47:42] And she used to like gently show us and describe to us why we were wrong about that and I totally get it now I'm with her 100% there much rather be healthy and poor yeah that's just it's crazy thinking about that that yeah she used to do that all the time it was like quite often it was and I remember when you say it like I don't even have to think because it's conditioned like I it's like you know when I

[00:48:11] you know when the way it felt is like when a teacher calls in you in class you got to like give the answer so like I would give the right answer because I knew what the right answer was for her but you know then you realize it's like it's absolutely true if you are you know sick it's just

[00:48:27] nothing else matters I mean and for me I think that just says a lot about how we experience life all the time. We're just like totally diluted in so many ways being like in the ego self like it's it's really sometimes it's difficult to to live that way because I'm not perfect I'm I am totally still in my ego self a lot but I know the truth

[00:48:57] I'm not perfect and I try to practice through it so it's like sometimes it's difficult you know because you've catch yourself which is a good thing because at least I catch myself but you know it's like after living in this type of world and being conditioned the way we are it's like

[00:49:15] we're going to start to move through that and that's why a lot of times I think in the way I started a big part of it which I think is really important I would advise people to do is like a long period of deprogramming and that's why I talk about epistemology a lot I think that helped me a lot to

[00:49:35] understand what I really knew and what I was just believing and holding on to an identifying with so in a lot of with spirituality it's not about like a lot of it isn't about gaining it's about getting rid of

[00:49:47] like you don't need to get a bunch more information I mean their aspects that you know it's want to learn lessons and all that but a lot of it is getting rid of what you held on to before and what you believed

[00:50:00] like the deprogramming aspect was it was really important for me and going through it made me realize like all this shit I believe has no real basis in anything just pure indoctrination and because the other people around me have the same indoctrination it seems to be true but there's no basis

[00:50:17] in truth about like all this stuff and you know you start to get rid of it and then you have a blank slate to say just take a breath and let's see what's true you know yeah

[00:50:29] and then you realize that the things that are most worthy of adding are relationships relationships to yourself relationships to spirit relationships

[00:50:40] to the energies of life relationships to other people those are the things that are important to add and experiences adding experiences you know I think it's one of the lessons that very first lessons I got from psilocybin was travel

[00:50:59] get your ass out of this tiny little town you're in and go see some shit because there is just so much to experience around the world I mean I haven't I haven't traveled even close to the amount that I want to but there's so much to experience

[00:51:18] and that's I think where a lot of the most important lessons come I think it was Terence McKenna who said if you want to learn sit in front of a mountain or a waterfall you know like stare at something like that

[00:51:33] that'll teach you some shit sit in front of a tree sit under a tree you know meditate the you know the Buddha became enlightened under the Bodhi tree nature is a teacher experience is the real teacher yeah yeah tree is a good one

[00:51:48] to I think a tree is a good one we should go serpent mound I'd love to yeah I mean it's close so we could I want you try to do that but yeah there's no that's what I was saying before it's like experience is the only way

[00:52:01] to truly convince yourself of something I mean in a deep way where it really affects you because somebody can tell you something over and over again

[00:52:08] and it just doesn't latch on and you know that's with psychic deluxe it grips you up and it shows you it's so amazing I mean think about the capability of your of our mind even the finite mind you know even

[00:52:24] it's a looser but just what you can do with your mind is it's like all this stuff that I never thought was possible and even though like now you know we're getting an

[00:52:37] understanding of like you say with the psychedelics with healing not just like trauma but you know physically healing things that you know people can do with their minds

[00:52:45] and it's something that we all know but we don't apply or frame it in the proper way because we just call that the placebo effect

[00:52:54] and it's weird because it's thought of and framed as like this weird thing that is happens by accident or you know it's just like a way to test a pill like it's like

[00:53:06] but when you think about it's like that is pure magic it's amazing that your mind can heal you and it makes sense because your mind is all there mind is all there is you know there's no separate matter at all

[00:53:20] so the mind is just it's it's capable of so many interesting things that I never would have thought to be possible it's just like now the possibilities are endless

[00:53:30] whereas before it was no mystery no adventure just nihilism meaninglessness now you can see meaning and everything everything has inherent meaning

[00:53:40] and it you know it's just it feels it feels good to have left the place of nihilism because nihilism is it's destroying lives every moment of every day

[00:53:56] nihilism is a very prominent milestone on the path when you start at least in my in my journey when I started the journey of true not trying to achieve true knowledge or just trying to find my way through you know in a genuine way

[00:54:19] nihilism was like the very first milestone it was the very first signpost and I really liked it it felt really good to just hate on everything it supported my atheism I mean and I was like yeah this is this is for me

[00:54:35] I was so nihilistic but I had to shed myself of that and some people aren't able to you know as I was talking to somebody recently who really exemplifies what you were describing earlier and just sort of right now which is like he was telling me

[00:54:52] he feels like there's nothing left to discover there's no place for him to exude his curiosity and he felt as if there's nothing left to figure out I was like oh man

[00:55:06] you had to find a different technology find a new tool and find a new way because that nihilistic part often stems from the inability to find a new path of learning

[00:55:19] and that's exactly what happened to him is he was finding himself in a very nihilistic form and he's not happy about it but at least there's that if you find that you're not really comfortable and you're not happy about your nihilism

[00:55:34] it's a sign that you're ready to sort of move past it you just got to find the right path.

[00:55:39] Yeah that's like the worst to be in that state it's just it's dark but it seems to me that like the way our society is right now it seems like it's bread for nihilism

[00:55:51] and even like in our pop culture it kind of presents nihilism as cool like you're too cool for school almost like you don't care you know you're dark you know it's like kind of presented in a certain way where really it's just total shit

[00:56:05] and it's horrible for you it's horrible for your health in mind and like today especially it's like we have cell phones and it and you know when you're in the materialist state of mind and you're believing in just like the way that you were taught the world is

[00:56:20] and now you have a device in your hand that can answer I mean from this is from the perspective of materialist

[00:56:27] I have this device my hand that can answer every question everything is right here I know it all it's on the phone that's what it says Google says that that's the truth

[00:56:37] if you have any question instead of investigating or pondering it's like no this is the answer put the phone down over no need to think no need to explore nothing

[00:56:47] and I think that is like it just feeds nihilism in a deep way yes not good and you mentioned how I'm just acknowledging your nihilism is like one of the first steps I think and going in the right direction I think another step which for a lot of people

[00:57:11] is small and maybe not even you don't even think too much about it is the step from atheist to agnostic

[00:57:19] and I think like I don't want to speak for you but I would imagine that now you never mind I was going to say you probably went atheist to agnostic right after your first mushroom trip

[00:57:30] but you were probably already agnostic by that point I would imagine just because you had the curiosity to even investigate yeah but yeah like a lot of people you know when you're like deep in your nihilism you are atheist when you are deep in you know that type of mindset

[00:57:46] you're like there's definitely no God I know it's if you believe in God that's stupid but then when you make at least one step where you're just like it's one tiny step out of nihilism towards truth where like I don't know maybe there's something it's like the universe you know you you create some type of physical representation for what you think God could possibly be and then hopefully to later find out it was nothing like he thought it was and you couldn't just never have imagined

[00:58:14] that that step I think is an important one and one that I've recognized in myself when I found myself becoming agnostic I became less nihilistic like they they coincided a bit

[00:58:27] yeah for me it was a book I think if I'm remembering correctly what brought me out of my atheism and toward agnosticism was a book called biosentrism by a guy named Dr. Robert Lanza who I'd love to talk to

[00:58:44] it's essentially a scientific paradigm that has consciousness as being fundamental and when I read that book it opened my mind to consciousness itself being that thing that stood in the place of God or the universe whatever it was I was like hmm

[00:59:03] consciousness being a fundamental force of the universe and being sort of the projection at which everything is created and it was a very interesting mind opening experience for me to read that book

[00:59:15] and it really led me toward you know Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and like all of these people who you know get you into psychedelics and spirituality of course like the gatekeepers nowadays in our society everyone's listening to Alan Watts and Rob Doss and Terrence McKenna those are the three amigos I feel like

[00:59:36] it's funny how like before even get like how naive and silly like my idea of what God was it's like now I even give religious people like I actually love religion now and you know I give religious people more respect than I used to

[00:59:57] but you know the idea like when people think of God they think that like for some reason religion has a monopoly on God and what God is is only the image of what a specific religion says

[01:00:10] and that's not the case at all I think each religion is just pointing to God trying to point at the one same thing though the one consciousness

[01:00:20] so it's like but before you have that realization it's like you think that you can't believe in God because God is owned by religion and you're not religious

[01:00:31] so I think it's it's it's false to kind of hold that belief but I feel like that's a lot of atheists at least me that's the way I looked at it

[01:00:41] it's like if I'm not a Christian then I don't believe in God and if you're not a Christian you have believing God or you know Muslim whatever but I would always think that you know God is owned by religion when it's like that's so absurd at the very best religion is just pointing a tiny itty bitty figure in the finger in the direction of God

[01:01:05] and that's also a massive disservice of growing up in any society that is based in a religion like our society is based in a Judeo Christian form of thought

[01:01:16] and when you're brought up in that it defines God as the Christian version of God and all other versions are wrong and again Christianity would have a monopoly on God in our society

[01:01:31] and depending on where you go outside of the United States maybe Allah has you know the monopoly on on spirituality but that's the western sort of materialist way

[01:01:42] and even with that even the Christian representation of God is totally misrepresented it's totally anthropomorphized and it's just totally wrong compared to when you have a real spiritual understanding

[01:01:57] and then really look into what these like religious texts are actually depicting and you know just because stories were the technology of the time and the way to communicate certain ideas to people doesn't mean that it's like it doesn't mean that what's in the book is literal that God is in the sky and he's speaking words to people

[01:02:18] like I like to look at you know same as we were saying what's like a deluxe like spiritual text ancient texts are a form of technology and you know now we make science books and that's how we our authority is science at this point in our culture

[01:02:37] but you know when people the average person couldn't understand that you went to convey a powerful message that's why you know stories last millennia like you know we have ancient myths and stories with that have lasted longer than you know probably a lot of technology if you imagine that if it's possible that there was an ancient culture in the past that had some form of technology

[01:03:00] their story lasted longer than the tech you know what I mean if that makes sense so a story is a technology that lasts a long time and that's I think with you know these religions they're just stories that are trying to point to the divine and you know the only technology they had at the time was storytelling which can be a very powerful technology.

[01:03:23] Yeah now we have you know advancements on that books internet all the things that we value there that are tech based in our society are versions of telling stories.

[01:03:37] And you know basically what I was you know getting at is let's say a meteor hits in you know tomorrow or whatever and destroys half the earth and you know all of our tech doesn't work everything is destroyed the earth just over grows all of our infrastructure and the last surviving thing will be the story.

[01:03:59] Not you know any you know they say because even like ancient Egypt those things however long they may be they lasted a lot of weathering and much longer than our architecture and infrastructure would last they say like our buildings would be completely gone in like 500 years I think they say basically there's a few things that would last like the test of time and one of them is Mount Rushmore so you know maybe way after we're along we're blasted up.

[01:04:29] And then we're going to see the way in a new group of human beings come to the planet and rise they're going to see Mount Rushmore you know just some dudes faces.

[01:04:38] Yeah it's funny man like our buildings all this stuff that we created it's all made with insurance policies in behind the cheap you don't you take out insurance policy on the pyramid to Giza and you're never going to be able to collect off that.

[01:04:50] And the our architecture is cheap and it's pathetic it's like dead inside it's not see the thing with like you know a lot of these ancient mega lists and all these weird structures that we find.

[01:05:08] See we still don't understand them we don't know how long they are and it seems like they are beautiful a lot of them are temples where the thought to be places of worship.

[01:05:17] And people are speculating now that the way they are made doesn't make any sense to us regarding the materials they are made with specific materials in certain amounts and certain places and basically it just doesn't make sense to us we don't know what they're doing or why they would do it that way and a lot of it isn't for aesthetic reasons like there's this really I don't know the exact specifics but this one temple has like a.

[01:05:45] A very there's a very rare material stone that it was hard to get this is what they say in the time and it was possibly a valued because one it's hard to get and it looked really nice it's like some forget what it was but anyway they would find this under the temples so it would be like wasting the stone like as it's not the only purpose that we could see for is that it looks good but they would put it into their.

[01:06:15] Structures like underneath and where it's out of sight weird like aspects to these structures that show that they have a function because they're also insanely precise and function breeds precision you don't need to be precise if there's no function you know it's not all aesthetic if you're going to have exact function or exact precision it's usually to perform a function that's how we you know basically develop precision because we need it like if we build a cannon.

[01:06:45] And it's in precise and we're going to shoot it and it doesn't fire in the right directions like well if we make this exactly precise will fire exactly where we aim it and that goes for basically all sorts of technologies you got to make it precise in the exact measurements for it to function properly so.

[01:07:05] I would speculate that some of these you know temples whatever.

[01:07:10] Megaliths might have some form of function and you know me my just speculation would be that it could have something to do with altering human consciousness.

[01:07:23] Because we don't take into consideration you know any type of woo woo we stuff we consider it you know when it comes to technology we look at it you know we look at the pyramids what we're doing is we're going to analyze the pyramids based off of a pattern of engineering because that's how we build all of our shit is engineering and if we don't see a direct pattern that we can.

[01:07:47] Make up or relate to our style of engineering we think that it's a tomb or it's some dumb sub absurd it is absurd there is one theory that the I'm pretty sure that great pyramids wonderful my effort get well I've heard a theory that they were like healing machines like basically like a hospital on the sense like you go there would heal your body.

[01:08:12] And if you're in there long enough and whatever and supposedly in the recent past you know last 100 years whatever 50 years probably.

[01:08:23] On they took someone to the pyramid and they did whatever they do and it healed them like it passed the test that they actually heal the person physically with this pyramid.

[01:08:34] And then they shut that shit down immediately the Egyptologist who run basically what's allowed to happen in Egypt they shut it down never allowed to be investigated again but.

[01:08:46] It is speculated that it could heal people and there have been incidents where it did heal someone so.

[01:08:53] You know I've heard speculation that their energy generators I mean there are so many different things but the mystery of that shape in general the shape of the pyramid is I think very important to a past and a history that we have unfortunately forgotten.

[01:09:12] See the thing that I'm fascinated with you know these ancient cultures is that they seem to be very brilliant and super fascinated with cosmology with like the stars and and our place in the universe they were doing something far different than what we do something that we don't understand because there's like artifacts that are super ancient.

[01:09:37] That was that was mapping the universe mapping the stars in very accurate ways and it makes me think what exactly they were trying to do and it's hard to imagine because what humanity is today it's so far removed from that type of thinking.

[01:09:54] Interestingly enough materialism is relatively new it's like a relatively new form of metaphysics thinking that you know matter space time is fundamental so if you give a group of human beings working from an idealist metaphysics time to build technology and work around their motives with that frame.

[01:10:24] So it's just it's hard to wrap your head around what could be possible with a massive amount of human beings working through that motivation that headspace.

[01:10:34] And it seems like everything we see from the old times from ancient times whether it be the pyramids or whether it be go back with tepe it seems that what these things were made for is to communicate a message or at least a very important part of their structure is communicating a message.

[01:10:53] It almost feels as if they're trying to get us to pick up the baton and continue whatever it is that they were striving for.

[01:11:02] Yeah a lot of there's a lot of stuffing, a blackly tepe that shows it's almost like a star map.

[01:11:10] The way that a lot of the animals are depicted correlate with the constellations very interesting on with the pyramid everybody who goes there and who's blessed enough to go inside of it.

[01:11:25] They say that this was not made for human beings to be inside it.

[01:11:31] Even now what they did is inside the pyramid, they built stairs and hand rails and stuff because it was so dangerous and hard to get around in there just as a human.

[01:11:41] And so even with that stuff, they're like this is not meant for people to be in here.

[01:11:47] This is like this has a function.

[01:11:50] This isn't just they didn't make all these weird chambers and aquifers underneath and all this different stuff for people to hang out in there or just the toss a dead body in there like everything that we believe about the pyramids and like mainstream Egyptology and all that is totally false like it just it just doesn't make sense.

[01:12:12] I believe there has to be some sort of function to that thing.

[01:12:16] I agree and I think there's some sort of function to most of the monolithic things that we see around the world that obviously took a lot of effort and a lot of time to create.

[01:12:27] It doesn't seem to me that you would spend that level of resources, that level of work to just create something like you said to throw a dead body in or to hang out in.

[01:12:39] I just don't think we have any conception of the true purpose of most of the monoliths that we find around the world.

[01:12:45] Serpent Mound being another interesting one that you brought up, it's so crazy cosmologically where the head is pointed and it's interesting too is that the cosmological aspects of a lot of these monoliths are sort of a depiction of history.

[01:13:06] And you can trace back in time and it gives you sort of inclination as to at least when it was built.

[01:13:14] And it gives you sort of an idea as to a method of communication of time of maybe events that have happened in history that we need to be aware of a lot of it seems to depict the potential for cataclysm to happen to us in the future that we need to really pay attention to I think.

[01:13:34] There's a lot of knowledge there.

[01:13:37] Yeah, like people speculate that Quebec late Pepe is well it does point to the toward meteor stream and some people would say that it's like a warning of the possibility of an impact which the toward meteor stream we were supposedly that one of the theories that we have that the last civilization that you would call like Atlantis around 12,000 years ago was wiped out by

[01:14:03] this by this meteor stream.

[01:14:06] And so that's why it's like pointing at it the like you said the serpent mound it's like eating the sun on the spring equinox it's showing it I like to look at it as like technology or a passing down of knowledge because even with the pyramids they say there's all sorts of weird shit encoded in there.

[01:14:24] And it aligns with Orion where there's pyramids all over the earth that align with Orion and they're in threes they're the same way on different continents I think on every continent maybe not an article maybe if we just don't know about it but every other continent has a has you know pyramids that aligned with with Orion and it's just I think we have to give these people some credit and try to invest in the world.

[01:14:53] And try to investigate for me what I'm interested in is investigating what they were doing because I think it could have been something more powerful than we are aware of that they had a mission to do something that we just can't quite grasp and I'm going to speculate that psychedelics play the role.

[01:15:14] And so I think that's why it has to and or other forms of altering consciousness as well there's like weird things you can do like other technologies that help alter consciousness sounds different frequencies.

[01:15:27] I forget I think there's a pyramid in I believe it's in Mexico I think it's somewhere in South America but you may have seen this it's like this beautiful pyramid it's kind of boxy but it's beautiful precision it's just amazing

[01:15:42] when you're outside of it you clap your hands and the way that I don't know how it's done the way that this thing is shaped your clap will echo off of the pyramid and it makes the sound of a bird chirping you clap your hands and chirp chirp clap chirp chirp it sounds crazy yeah you got to look it up but there's a lot of weird things with sound even in the great pyramid of Giza there's like a it rumbles at like a certain frequency and it'll hold it

[01:16:11] if you're inside of it it's just like holds a specific frequency for a long period of time yeah really weird stuff and that's I mean one of the wild theories that people say with how they were built with is with some type of sonar sound tech where you can basically levitate boxes through certain types of sound or boxes whatever

[01:16:34] I don't know anything about that but I have heard that yeah I've heard the same thing which it's like you know for me that's not totally you know it's not out of the realm of possibility I think that there are many avenues of technology that we haven't investigated because we had success with one and then we took it as far as we're going to take it well it continues to move but

[01:16:58] I believe that there has to be other avenues like rental carolson Carlson now talking about this plasma tech in a new form of energy that could be fueled by plasma so I think any civilization if you start them with one and they take it from there it's like the butterfly effect you have no idea how something could change dramatically from you know just a different starting point

[01:17:22] and the hope is that a civilization like ours it has gone so far down the scientific material is paradigm is able to survive long enough to not get smashed by another cataclysm from that toward meteor stream maybe that's what they were trying to warn us against you know fixed your way follow our bread crumbs and don't get smashed.

[01:17:48] Have you seen that what NASA did supposedly they did that dark mission have not this was a few months back where they sent a probe of some sort into space aimed at an asteroid to knock it off course I did hear about that so they did successfully do that um.

[01:18:07] But you know if it's a bunch of asteroids we're not going to be able to do that so at least like we had some hope of trying to do something to avoid that but I feel like

[01:18:17] what this line of humanity what our culture is like moving toward is this AI thing that's I think the peak of what's coming who knows what that will turn into I think um you know a lot of people say that these cataclysm happen like every 12,000 years or so which we're we're getting there and who knows you know mate mount St. Helens or Yellowstone whichever one it is the super volcano that's due it's like over two years ago

[01:18:47] I do do I guess so any day could be the day.

[01:18:51] I do have high hopes for AI though I think it's going to eventually be something that helps to correct our path.

[01:18:59] I hope so I think that it's it's more about the people who are building it and what they want to use it for so it's hard to say I think it could end up in some pretty weird places where we are in the pod eating bugs.

[01:19:16] I think it will get dark because the way that it's coming up into our society is through our power structures and our power structures as we know do not have the best of intentions so I do think we're going to experience some darkness but overall I think that if we don't demolish ourselves in some way AI is going to be an important part of our growth.

[01:19:39] And that's a sad thing about our nature as of now it's like as soon as we create a breakthrough technology that has so many possibilities first thing we do is weaponize it weaponize it and we craft it into some form of pornography.

[01:19:55] So it's like those are the two things that we immediately do with the highest technologies so it's a matter of if we can get past the weaponization of AI.

[01:20:06] It's very monkey like you know it's very primitive yeah it's what we do though killing and fucking yep.

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