62. Funny Till Its Not with Special Guests

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[00:01:55] Hey everyone we're here today with a few special guests.

[00:02:14] We've got five people on the podcast today which is a lot more than we usually have.

[00:02:19] We're joined today by returning special guest, my fiancee Alana.

[00:02:27] And we are also joined by of course, my co-host Mr. Joe over here.

[00:02:32] And our other two special guests are two of our most beloved humans in the world.

[00:02:37] Joe and I's cousin Nicole Albanies.

[00:02:40] Hello.

[00:02:41] And her husband Josh.

[00:02:42] Ciao.

[00:02:43] Now these two special people are hosts of the funny till it's not podcast.

[00:02:48] So why don't we just start off by talking about your podcast?

[00:02:51] What you guys do how often you release episodes, anything you want to share about your podcast?

[00:02:57] Sure.

[00:02:58] We release every Tuesday.

[00:03:03] I really know what to start out with.

[00:03:05] I guess how it came to be.

[00:03:07] We used to play magic every Saturday still right?

[00:03:13] So we played magic every Saturday with a big group of people and then it got crazy expensive

[00:03:19] or like can't, can't keep up with it anymore.

[00:03:23] And I still wanted to hang out with the friends that I had and I was like, oh just, I guess

[00:03:28] I'll just try to do like a podcast or something.

[00:03:30] And then I found out you had started your podcast.

[00:03:33] So I was like, oh, that's fucking awesome.

[00:03:35] So I wanted to jump right into there with that stuff and I thought what better way than

[00:03:40] what I typically talk about anyway, which is conspiracies.

[00:03:44] And I thought the easiest way to convey conspiracies is with comedy because it kind of like grounds

[00:03:49] it a little bit more.

[00:03:50] I feel like it, you know, it reels in men like, oh, this is kind of funny.

[00:03:53] And then when you slam the truth on them, they're like, oh, man, this isn't funny.

[00:03:58] Yeah, sort of disconnects you from like the truth as well and from the negative aspects

[00:04:03] of the conspiracy.

[00:04:04] I feel like and I do like the fact that you put in commercials and you put in like funny

[00:04:08] stuff because it does.

[00:04:09] It makes it a lot lighter takes away from a lot of the really harsh aspects of some

[00:04:13] of the stuff you guys talk about because your topics are heavy.

[00:04:16] They are heavy.

[00:04:17] And we don't, I originally I wanted to shy away from like the heavier stuff and I was

[00:04:21] like, I don't know if I'm going to get any flack but then I just don't care anymore.

[00:04:25] I really don't.

[00:04:26] It's, it's my opinion and it's not even like held in like concreteness.

[00:04:30] Like I'm always viable to change my opinion on it and everything.

[00:04:34] I'm just on researching and giving the facts.

[00:04:37] So in terms of topics, what are some of your guys favorite topics that you've talked about

[00:04:41] so far?

[00:04:44] I like all the cryptic episodes because they're funny.

[00:04:47] This is the get goofy.

[00:04:49] Some of the cryptids are goofy.

[00:04:52] They get we get real creative.

[00:04:54] I also like the Titanic.

[00:04:55] That one was really good.

[00:04:57] That was a good one.

[00:04:58] Yeah, I liked that one.

[00:04:59] That was funny.

[00:05:00] Just a lot of things that you didn't think about or didn't know.

[00:05:04] And I was talking to a few people and they were like, oh do you really think that those

[00:05:08] conspiracies can be true?

[00:05:09] And I'm like, I mean, people doing dumb shit for money.

[00:05:15] Yeah, I do think that might be true.

[00:05:18] Pretty much the basis of all conspiracies right?

[00:05:20] Yeah, if you like, you notice because like you said, you know, you put comedy into it

[00:05:24] to like light in the mood.

[00:05:26] It's like conspiracies in general are basically all doom and gloom.

[00:05:30] If you put comedy into it, like there's not, I can't think of one positive conspiracy.

[00:05:35] There's nothing about a conspiracy that's like uplifting.

[00:05:38] It's all like killing people or like lying to the public and mind control, all this different

[00:05:44] type of stuff.

[00:05:45] It's like, so you got to add some light to it or else you know, it can get pretty dark

[00:05:49] going down those avenues.

[00:05:51] Even I feel good one like if, I mean, I don't feel this way but some people think that

[00:05:56] like God is some conspiracy theory.

[00:05:58] Like that's, you think that would be positive but then you go look at the church and all

[00:06:02] that other stuff.

[00:06:03] You're like, Oh, there is a lot of dark to the positive sides of it.

[00:06:06] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:06:07] One of my favorite episodes was the inner monologue one because I love that one.

[00:06:14] I want to do a second part for that because dude, I, I, again, I don't believe someone

[00:06:20] cannot have an inner monologue.

[00:06:22] I just, I don't believe it.

[00:06:24] Well, what they say is like people they, I mean, I can believe it.

[00:06:28] It's just so foreign to me.

[00:06:30] It's like how you couldn't think in, I guess they say they think in like images or themes

[00:06:35] or concepts rather than like a linear language.

[00:06:39] When I think about that, it makes me wonder what the benefit to that, like they would say

[00:06:45] if you're following like evolutionary theory there has to be an evolutionary benefit for

[00:06:49] that trait to like maintain through time.

[00:06:53] I wonder if people who don't have the inner monologue have some type of ability or something,

[00:06:59] you know, that benefits them that we don't have because I'm assuming we all here have

[00:07:03] inner monologues.

[00:07:04] Right?

[00:07:05] Yeah.

[00:07:06] They say what like 10% of people and like a lot of people I hear they said that they didn't

[00:07:10] know that other people have inner monologues because it's not a topic that's discussed

[00:07:14] because it's just assumed.

[00:07:15] So like a few years back that article came out saying that oh, 10% of people don't have

[00:07:21] an inner monologue and it seems like a lot of people saw that article who don't have

[00:07:25] inner monologues or believe they don't.

[00:07:28] And then they're all, they come out saying like wait, you have an inner monologue?

[00:07:31] What's that like?

[00:07:32] So people, it's like one of those things that would never have been discussed so nobody would

[00:07:36] even know what do you think that they increased it to 50% they think that half the population

[00:07:41] has one and the other half doesn't have one is that what they said?

[00:07:43] That's the new yellow.

[00:07:44] Wow.

[00:07:45] That's crazy to me.

[00:07:47] 50%.

[00:07:48] Yeah.

[00:07:49] I don't.

[00:07:50] I didn't believe that statistic either 50% of people don't know what it means to have

[00:07:56] an inner monologue.

[00:07:57] I'm convinced that when we talk about whether or not we have an inner monologue, it's about

[00:08:03] the definition of what we think in our monologue is.

[00:08:05] Do you think it's a disconnect?

[00:08:06] Yeah.

[00:08:07] Like what an inner monologue is to somebody else versus what it is to you.

[00:08:10] Exactly because I think people that quote unquote don't have one they think that you actually

[00:08:15] hear it with your ears and nobody hears their inner monologue with their ears.

[00:08:20] It's a, it's like an imagination.

[00:08:22] Like do you have an imagination?

[00:08:23] What happens when you read a book silently?

[00:08:26] It also, it bugs me too because it's like say you don't have an inner monologue.

[00:08:30] Like if you consciously try to, does that mean you have the inability to so if like in

[00:08:34] your mind, you just can't think words linearly.

[00:08:38] So that to me is weird.

[00:08:39] There probably isn't aspect to it where it's like maybe people just are misunderstanding

[00:08:45] what that could mean.

[00:08:46] I do think that there must be some people that don't have it because I've heard some like

[00:08:53] people I would trust, some intelligent people say that they don't have one and they describe

[00:08:58] it in a way that they don't think in linear language that they think in like more conceptual

[00:09:05] imagery things like that.

[00:09:08] So I'm sure that exists but 50% seems wild.

[00:09:11] But that type of poll seems like very hard to conduct because how many people do you ask

[00:09:16] to determine that number?

[00:09:17] Right.

[00:09:18] I mean, I wasn't asked.

[00:09:19] I mean, I'm sure like many people like it would be hard to land on an accurate number

[00:09:23] for that.

[00:09:24] I think I always think polls are skewed anyway.

[00:09:27] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:09:28] They're not a good.

[00:09:29] I've never been pulled in my life.

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:32] I've heard millions of polls like about stuff that is like nobody asked me.

[00:09:36] Who wants to go and start pulling random people on the street on the inner monologue?

[00:09:40] Let's just do it right now.

[00:09:41] That's where we're going to get the data first.

[00:09:45] I just want to ask you, do you mind a second for this poll and then like give me a wall

[00:09:49] and say?

[00:09:50] And the same thing happens for like when they talk about, we've talked about this a little

[00:09:56] bit before is the ability to visualize.

[00:10:01] And even to me that was a little confusing because they say that a lot of people, I don't

[00:10:05] know their percentage but a lot of people don't have the ability to like visualize and

[00:10:08] they usually use the example of an apple like close your eyes and visualize an apple

[00:10:12] and depending on how clear you see it as how good your visualization is.

[00:10:17] And I think a lot of people might misunderstand that as well and think that you physically

[00:10:22] see it but it's just the imagination of it.

[00:10:25] But a lot of people supposedly don't have that ability either.

[00:10:29] I don't know, does anybody here have the inability to visualize?

[00:10:33] Nope.

[00:10:34] Didn't you say Laura?

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Laura knows what someone looks like when she's looking at them but if she's not standing

[00:10:41] in front of them and says close your eyes and imagine Nicole, she wouldn't be able to do

[00:10:45] it.

[00:10:46] Yeah.

[00:10:47] See I think that's a better way to describe it as well because like I mentioned the apple

[00:10:49] description is usually the one that's used but I think it's more effective to ask somebody

[00:10:55] if they can visualize a person's face.

[00:10:57] Like that isn't around and if they can't do that then you know that determines that they

[00:11:02] have no visualization.

[00:11:04] Well she's got to step further.

[00:11:05] It's called it's amphantasia right that she has.

[00:11:09] So she doesn't have an inner monologue or the ability to see things in her mind.

[00:11:15] Right that's the that's the step further with not only can you not not like speak or

[00:11:21] have that inner voice, you also can't do the visualizations which is a lot less.

[00:11:26] I think that's like that might be like their teen percent or lower of the population

[00:11:31] that has that.

[00:11:34] It's pretty easy to visualize in my opinion but it doesn't it doesn't hold like the visual

[00:11:39] doesn't hold it's like almost like somebody shows a flash card in your brain of it real

[00:11:42] quick and really that's what it is.

[00:11:44] When I said it's like behind your eyes, Laura like freaked out and she's like what?

[00:11:50] Like you can see things behind your eyes and I'm like but that's what it like that's

[00:11:55] where it feels like it is.

[00:11:56] Like it's not in front of my eyes, it's not.

[00:12:01] What made you want to start your podcast?

[00:12:04] Well Joey and I we always talk about this stuff anyway.

[00:12:07] I mean it's something we've always discussed doing and I took a course through psychedelics

[00:12:13] today called navigating psychedelics for clinicians and therapists and the second

[00:12:19] part was navigation and self-care, something like that.

[00:12:24] As part of this course at the end of it they do what's called integration project so

[00:12:29] you have to integrate everything that you've learned all the things that they've taught

[00:12:33] and that we discussed in the course and you have to put together some sort of a project.

[00:12:38] A lot of people put together pieces of art or some people applied for jobs and things

[00:12:43] like that.

[00:12:44] Okay.

[00:12:45] What I wanted to do for my integration project was to first of all confirm with Joe like

[00:12:50] hey man, do you want to actually do this podcast because we can do it and then after he agreed

[00:12:55] I planted all out structurally.

[00:12:58] We decided how often we're going to release episodes got together a bunch of information

[00:13:03] on gear and all that kind of stuff and I put together a little power point presentation

[00:13:07] because we have to present at the end of the course what our project was and we just

[00:13:12] kept going from there and it's been really cool because not only have I been able to

[00:13:17] talk with Joe once or twice a week or sometimes once every two weeks or whatever, I was

[00:13:22] able to form a lot of connections with people I never thought I'd be able to meet and

[00:13:26] talk to through interviews and stuff and through that class like a deluxe today's course

[00:13:33] I was able to have some people on through there that I met the instructors both came on

[00:13:39] and some other people some guest instructors came on as well.

[00:13:41] So yeah, it's been cool.

[00:13:43] And for me the way it kind of manifested was like basically we started taking psychedelics

[00:13:49] together and you know through that process like we would you know take psychedelics have

[00:13:56] these amazing experiences and then we'd hang out and we'd start discussing like our experiences

[00:14:01] and like independently it seemed that we both started kind of going down a very similar

[00:14:06] path in our discoveries and what you know we thought about the world reality itself in

[00:14:11] our minds, our spirits all that.

[00:14:13] So we would get together and talk about our discoveries through psychedelics and we

[00:14:18] kept finding I would say similarities and the things we were discovering and our interests

[00:14:22] and we'd have these discussions and he mentioned a podcast I was like yeah why not we do this

[00:14:27] anyway we're always talking about this path that we're going down and what we're learning

[00:14:32] and so why not just record it and through the podcast it's like we get to explore our ideas

[00:14:39] and learn more.

[00:14:41] So I think it's been I mean it's been awesome I thought it was a great idea to do so

[00:14:45] you know every week or two we'd made up and we have these long discussions about just

[00:14:49] reality itself and what we've learned through psychedelics yeah it's been awesome.

[00:14:54] I like the journey you guys are on.

[00:14:56] I always was like is did you post anything yet?

[00:15:00] I'm always asking it's my favorite podcast to listen to.

[00:15:03] Oh man I learned so much from both of you.

[00:15:06] I learned so much too you know it's really cool being able to like when Joe and I both

[00:15:10] come together it's like I have my sources of information where I go to like confirm

[00:15:15] things and you know what I read and what I listen to then he has his stuff that he

[00:15:19] listens to and that he reads some of it is obviously there's a big overlap there but we

[00:15:25] both kind of come to this center point where we can share ideas with each other and learn

[00:15:30] from each other it's just it's fantastic.

[00:15:33] I wanted to ask you guys what because you know you mentioned your podcast is like a lot

[00:15:39] of conspiracy talk so when did you become interested in conspiracies like was there one specific

[00:15:46] conspiracy that opened the gate or how long have you been interested in this?

[00:15:50] So for me so Josh has been obviously a huge influence with the conspiracy side not because

[00:16:00] I never was interested in it but I just never really thought of it as much as I do now

[00:16:08] but there was one moment when Josh and I first started dating that I was with my friend

[00:16:15] at the time and we pulled up to her house and there was a UFO just chilling right above

[00:16:23] her house and I took one picture of it and she was like let's go let's go we got to go inside

[00:16:30] like blah blah blah so I ran inside and I called Josh and he was like what are you doing get

[00:16:36] back outside and record like what is wrong with you?

[00:16:40] And I went back outside and it was gone two seconds like it was not very long at all

[00:16:45] That wasn't even far from here?

[00:16:47] No it was right at the street and it made no noise it was all different kinds of colors

[00:16:54] I did have a picture of it I did posted on Facebook and everybody was like that was military

[00:16:58] and I was like no it wasn't like I know what I saw I know what I heard and I've never

[00:17:03] heard of purple lights on a crowd before around here so I've never seen this before and

[00:17:08] that kind of opened me up to the whole UFO thing and then I think it just spiraled from there

[00:17:13] but I do enjoy it and it keeps life interesting you know I feel like if we just believed

[00:17:19] everything for face value like what's the point then of doing your own research and finding

[00:17:26] new things if you're just gonna follow the media?

[00:17:29] Absolutely right yeah I feel like once someone has a UFO sighting it's a wrap.

[00:17:35] And like you said it kind of spirals because at that point it's like a paradigm shifting

[00:17:41] experience we're like okay wow if something that massive is true and I was told it wasn't

[00:17:47] then you're open to other things that might also be true that you were told yeah exactly.

[00:17:52] I can speak from my personal experience because the two of you would go off about UFOs

[00:17:57] and I always had my doubts and then I had an experience where we were at my sister's house

[00:18:07] and he will meet him and our other friend we went outside on my sister's deck and we were

[00:18:16] just looking up at the sky and he made a comment like hey guys what's so many UFOs and we're

[00:18:20] like ha ha and then not even 10 seconds later we're like wait.

[00:18:24] He put the intent out there what the fuck is that and it looked like a shooting star but it stopped

[00:18:31] and the one dot expanded into I saw three was it you that said you saw four there was a there was

[00:18:39] a fourth dot I didn't see the fourth one I saw three though and it made the shape of a triangle

[00:18:46] which on like you know unsolved mysteries or any other UFO videos that you see that's a common

[00:18:52] shape and I was like okay so I see these three dots in a triangle kind of moving on this linear

[00:19:00] grid but it's also rotating at the same time so it wasn't natural and what really sealed it for me

[00:19:06] like you feel that excitement but also that kind of like terror because you don't know what it

[00:19:13] you know you're like I can't look away but I'm I don't know what this is and I'm a little I'm

[00:19:18] a little scared and what really did it for me was there were stars like let's call you know the

[00:19:25] sky behind at the canvas and this triangle as it moved over the stars it blocked it out oh man so

[00:19:30] I know there was an object like in front of it moving and rotating and I yeah I felt fear and I was

[00:19:40] like okay just remain calm and you know I looked I looked at my friend and I was like okay do you

[00:19:45] see what I'm seeing and she was like I wasn't gonna say anything but yeah and that's also what

[00:19:51] kind of solidifies it for you I think experiencing it with someone else who also was in the same

[00:19:56] you know ballpark is like I don't know you know people talk about him but I just don't know if they're

[00:20:01] real going through that experience and seeing it that really did kind of solidify it for me

[00:20:08] that there is there's something out there I feel like there's there's like two avenues like like

[00:20:13] Joe said there either when you see it you're all in or you disconnect 100% you're like I was just

[00:20:19] seeing something I was just seeing shit like that was and it's really easy yeah it's really easy for

[00:20:24] people to write that office like oh it was military or oh it was this or oh it was that I think

[00:20:29] for me like the most fascinating part of what you just said was it's so interesting that you know

[00:20:35] you said I don't know if Josh you said it but you said let's summon a UFO and like you look up

[00:20:40] and then it happens to be there I find that very fascinating that it seems at least some people

[00:20:46] would believe that there is a connection between the mind and like a summoning of a UFO or like you

[00:20:53] know the whole CE5 process I was gonna say makes you think there's something behind that yeah basically

[00:20:57] you get together and have a meditation with the intent of summoning an object in the sky and

[00:21:03] people have success with that so I find it interesting that you know you look up and you know it's

[00:21:08] like a one in a million chance that you're going to actually see something and it happened right after

[00:21:14] some form of putting the intent out there well I just want to say he's done that a million times

[00:21:19] before and it never happened so not a million I'm obviously being facetious but there you know we

[00:21:26] be sitting out on the deck you'd be like you know it would be so cool right now if you and I saw

[00:21:29] a UFO and then we look up and be like yep nothing's happening so this was no different when we walked

[00:21:34] outside and he's like let's summon a UFO and we're like yeah yeah yeah and then all of a sudden

[00:21:39] we're like oh shit what's that so I don't I also thought it was weird that he said that and you

[00:21:45] know not even a minute after we saw it but there have been other times where I don't know I guess

[00:21:51] maybe the intent wasn't fully there or maybe I don't know Nicole won't let me contact UFOs

[00:21:59] why not are you scared you scared of contact at that point it's not that but one time he

[00:22:08] no one that we know watches this um you don't know that what I say watch this you don't know that

[00:22:16] I just get scared around Josh's family but one time he did was it mushrooms that you did

[00:22:24] and it was you were like Nicole I have a feeling that I need to go outside right now and there's

[00:22:29] gonna be a UFO in the sky and I'm like sit the fuck down I was like don't get up she wouldn't let me

[00:22:35] I was he's like I gotta go outside right now there's definitely something in the sky and I was

[00:22:38] like sit down you're not going outside I was so scared there actually was something outside

[00:22:47] that I was like you're not nope not right now I was projecting my energy hard so

[00:22:53] you know they would have been out there they may have been something out there yeah I've found

[00:22:58] like when I've all the experiences I've had and it's like a UFO sighting it's always me by myself

[00:23:05] which is like it sucks because then I have to tell someone about it and they're like cool dude

[00:23:10] it's like no you don't get it like it just sucks being the only one there but I'm so fascinated

[00:23:16] in the topic and I want to see UFOs but then like you know when it would happen

[00:23:22] it's like it's pretty scary like I get a pretty deep fear especially I am alone I'm like what the

[00:23:27] fuck so I get it like a I don't know just like a weird feeling in my bones I've only had I'd say three

[00:23:37] like really compelling sightings in my whole life and each time I was like frozen in

[00:23:43] amazement and then like immediately I'm like I got to get inside like I want to get away from this

[00:23:49] spending like you know hours of my life thinking about this and wanting to see it and then I see

[00:23:53] it and after five seconds it's like yeah yeah get out of here yeah it's interesting

[00:23:59] you think that's instinct like flight or flight I think so especially like when you see something

[00:24:06] that doesn't quite make sense like for instance like my one sighting I saw four objects that were like

[00:24:12] pretty close like extremely close like relatively and there's no noise coming from them

[00:24:18] and they're moving in a weird way and it's like it's just this weird dissonance in your head it's

[00:24:23] just doesn't it's like seeing something that doesn't belong in reality so it's like a weird feeling

[00:24:27] it's like doesn't make sense you're trying to compute it so you're frozen for a minute just

[00:24:32] like an amazement and then you're freaked out and you want to get away or get like I said I'm

[00:24:37] alone so I want to get somewhere where there's more people around and like tell them what happened

[00:24:42] you know when you try to tell the story it never comes out right because it's like you know if

[00:24:47] somebody tells you a UFO story I thought that's interesting but actually having a UFO story can

[00:24:52] change your life doesn't do it justice no never don't go wow he's all triangle this guy it's like no

[00:24:59] you don't get it though it wasn't just a triangle in this guy more than that yeah I do I do

[00:25:07] think that though yeah that's when you see that stuff it just for me I get all struck like I have to

[00:25:15] keep and I think it's a problem when I get all struck because the camera is not even a thought

[00:25:20] in my mind when I'm seeing that shit it's like I just have to get as good as a look at this thing

[00:25:26] as possible instead of me fiddling with a phone trying to get the perfect setting that no one's

[00:25:30] gonna believe anyway yeah what would it matter 100% same thing I've never in the experience of

[00:25:36] a sighting I've never even thought about getting my phone out it's just not you know it's for me

[00:25:42] I would get frozen and it's like the last thing you think about is pulling out a phone and at least

[00:25:48] in my experience all the sightings are like fairly quick like less than a minute like yeah

[00:25:53] for me my longest sighting was probably about 30 seconds and you know I didn't think about getting

[00:25:58] my phone out and plus like I've never had a sighting with something just sitting there it's always

[00:26:02] in motion so even if I were to pull my phone out get the camera ready it would already be like too far

[00:26:08] away to get a compelling shot of this thing so that's the only thing it pisses me off when people are

[00:26:13] like well isn't there any good photos well like there are some good photos but also it's like

[00:26:19] try to get a good photo of a plane like you can't even get a good photo of a plane and they're always

[00:26:24] around and they're going slow like it's not a compelling argument to say they don't exist because

[00:26:29] you can't find many good photos of them yeah right the UFO we chased that was wild that was real

[00:26:37] and that was wild so I'm sure we said this story before but we were we were going out at night time

[00:26:47] driving somewhere with the kids it might have been sheets or something I think we were trying to get food

[00:26:52] and we're getting in the car and all of a sudden like right right above the tree line right

[00:27:00] above the school there was an object just like five lights just in a straight line just gliding

[00:27:09] through the sky and I'm sorry I'm gonna throw you under the bus but he saw it and he threw the child

[00:27:17] out of his hands and was like what the fuck is that what the fuck is that and I was like I don't know

[00:27:23] so we get everybody in the car real real quick and we start driving and we're just fault like this

[00:27:29] thing is just in the air just going and we're following no noise nothing I think we did attempt to

[00:27:36] get some videos but I think our phones were dying and I didn't have my phone and then we got to a

[00:27:43] place where we saw Walmart and it was sitting right above Walmart tons of lights in a line and we

[00:27:53] know that somebody else saw it because they also pulled over and they were out of their cars

[00:27:58] looking at it we didn't I don't think we got any good pictures of video but that one was

[00:28:04] unforgettable it was crazy how close were you to it the close as it was right above like as

[00:28:13] probably like right above the school it was so that's what creep me out so much when she first

[00:28:17] like what the fuck is that it was how close to the ground in proximity and the air that it was

[00:28:24] and that it was no fucking noise not a single noise came out of it I find that to be like the for

[00:28:30] me at least that was like the most striking part was like the lack of noise just like the dead silence

[00:28:36] just for how close it was yeah but something had hung right it was not it was not a drone

[00:28:42] it was huge it was right in front of us and it did not make a sound yeah because you can hear

[00:28:47] like by my house I get planes all sorts of different planes from airliners to like little sessna's

[00:28:54] you can hear all that stuff easily if people don't think we can't tell the difference between a plane

[00:28:59] and a UFO right like sorry this place is chock full of airports like you're never not seeing a plane

[00:29:05] and not hearing what like you said like we're right by the

[00:29:10] AB AB and all the time there's sessna's constantly flying out of there there's all the air

[00:29:16] that the passenger jets that are always leaving out of there like right like once you live there

[00:29:20] you know what these things look like yeah especially like for me and I'm sure you guys too

[00:29:24] like you spend a lot of time just looking at the stars looking at the sky so like when you see

[00:29:29] something that doesn't belong it's obvious it's glaring you know and like for me with the sighting

[00:29:34] I was just talking about it's like it freaked me out a lot too because it was right in my backyard

[00:29:40] yeah it was like right behind my house it's like no reason anything should ever be there you know

[00:29:45] I get a lot of planes that you know just travel and over in the direction of my house so that's

[00:29:50] like normal but this was like low you know it wasn't like up way thousands of feet in the sky

[00:29:56] and these four crafts also they were like flying dark it was dark outside and these things had no

[00:30:02] lights on them like it wasn't like you know a plane has like a red and green light whatever

[00:30:07] there were no lights it was just four white like circular objects just silently flying they were

[00:30:14] you know it's hard for me to predict the height because I don't I've never seen it before so

[00:30:20] there's no reference point right but I could tell that it was these things were like super low like

[00:30:26] freaky low and yeah they just were in a formation and they just slid right over my head basically

[00:30:33] through my backyard and then towards the college and then they were gone but yeah as no reason

[00:30:39] anything should be in my backyard like that it's like why here why now it just didn't make any sense

[00:30:44] right did you summon them no but the weird thing was I was thinking about them and I was I just had

[00:30:51] gotten back from the gym and I was texting basically everybody because this was February 11th this

[00:30:56] was right when those quote unquote UFO shoot downs were happening so like UFOs were on my mind I

[00:31:02] looked up in the sky I do this a lot and like oh it'll be a UFO I look up nothing and I'm texting

[00:31:07] everybody about this UFO shoot down stuff and what could it be and then I take I had I was taking

[00:31:13] my dog out so I looked up in the sky one last time just and I looked up at the absolute perfect

[00:31:18] moment if I would have waited 10 seconds I wouldn't have seen anything I look up and literally like

[00:31:24] right above me and like slightly to my right the there's a formation of four craft just like

[00:31:30] right there and they weren't like zooming it was just you know nice and easy just cruise cruise and

[00:31:35] buy and like if I went to look up I would have never known they were there because like I said

[00:31:40] dead silent the dog had no I had my dog there and my cat was there they were just like you know

[00:31:46] farts in around they didn't know anything was happening it was like zero noise at all I happened

[00:31:50] to look up at the perfect moment and I saw these things and I was like my mind the first thing it

[00:31:55] went to because like I said they were it was four objects in a formation like kind of like a V

[00:32:00] formation and they were white and circular so they in my they could have been discs or just like

[00:32:08] orbs or like ovals like they were either egg-shaped or disc but from the angle of observation I was

[00:32:14] looking at the bottom so I just saw circles basically so the first thing my mind did like in the

[00:32:18] first millisecond was like these are spotlights because they were gliding so smoothly and they were

[00:32:24] white and they were dead silent and then like immediately after the first milliseconds like okay

[00:32:28] clearly not spotlights because that makes zero sense there are no spotlights moving around

[00:32:34] in the back of my house so like immediately I'm like okay this is something insane and then

[00:32:38] after I look at it for two seconds I'm like shit these are straight up objects UFOs just gliding

[00:32:44] in the back of my house and then like they started to get like out of sight a little bit and

[00:32:50] I thought like should I run down the road and like try to chase them and get another view but I was

[00:32:55] like so freaked out I ran inside I was like get the dog go inside I fucking ran and um I kind of wish

[00:33:01] I would have tried to follow them I don't think I would have gotten too much of a better view because

[00:33:05] when I looked up it was the closest they were like as soon as I looked up they were boom right there

[00:33:10] and I want to say that they were maybe a couple hundred feet up like it wasn't like thousands of

[00:33:16] feet like they were right there but it's hard to say because I can't determine the size of what the

[00:33:20] object was but yeah no lights but they were white so I can see them against the night sky

[00:33:26] okay and it was so strange because it was happening during all this UFO shoot down stuff

[00:33:31] so UFOs were on the mind I was looking for mouse texting people about UFOs and I look up and there

[00:33:36] they are like just mind blown that in itself could be a form of like quote unquote summoning you know

[00:33:42] through on the mind if they're in your consciousness and there is a connection between consciousness

[00:33:46] and these things that could itself be you know a form of summoning well because like I was at the gym

[00:33:53] and it was all over the TV's like the UFO shoot down so that was texting I'm like you see in this

[00:33:57] whatever and I get home and immediately take the dog out so I'm still talking about it and thinking

[00:34:02] about it and I glance up at this guy like instinctively every you know minute or so just you know

[00:34:07] what's going on up there and I happen to glance up and it's like I'm in such a calm state because

[00:34:12] I'm looking up expecting to see nothing as usual so I'm just like calm I look up and then it's like

[00:34:17] whoa like it was right there and it freaked me out but yeah it was definitely on the mind

[00:34:22] and I found it to be like more than a coincidence because like you said it was on the mind it was

[00:34:28] like all this stuff going on and the fact of the location where I saw them is really what blew my

[00:34:35] mind because I don't live somewhere like the main thing I was thinking is like why would these

[00:34:40] things be here and it was just strange none of it made sense to me that's crazy

[00:34:47] you know what I can't wrap my head around that I've thought about before so many different

[00:34:53] types of craft have been spotted before so is it possible that there's like one species

[00:35:02] of alien or whatever like operating these craft or how you know it just it makes me wonder like

[00:35:09] how many are there out there yeah people like speculate that there's like you could hear about like

[00:35:19] some people say there's like five different species some say there's a hundred or countless

[00:35:23] and then like there's the other angle that you could look at it too which is like that it's one

[00:35:27] phenomenon that manifests itself in unlimited ways according to the person who's seeing it so

[00:35:33] like it could be a single phenomenon that can appear in a multitude of ways or you know

[00:35:40] that like I would say the more standard view is that these are beings from somewhere else that

[00:35:46] have physical craft of different kinds that come and visit here or like I said a mental phenomenon

[00:35:51] that presents itself in a multitude of different ways it's hard for us not to humanize

[00:35:59] and anthropomorphize everything so when we look at the potential for another being especially

[00:36:04] another being that has the advancement in their technology to make it here we think that

[00:36:11] probably has a head and two arms and two legs of torso and eyes just like us but like you said

[00:36:16] it's very possible that these things are just um manifesting themselves in whatever way they can

[00:36:22] be seen by us there's a very interesting hypothesis that they're interdimensional and it's almost

[00:36:29] like the way I think of it is if the sun is shining on me and I'm in my three-dimensional world

[00:36:37] I cast my my three-dimensional being casts a two-dimensional shadow onto the ground so

[00:36:44] is it possible that a higher dimensional object being or something can be projecting itself

[00:36:50] into our dimension and if it is then it would look a certain way it would look very three-dimensional

[00:36:59] even though it's four-dimensional or five-dimensional or eleven-dimensional so

[00:37:04] we're we may not be seeing them accurately for what they are we might just be seeing them for

[00:37:10] you know however they can project themselves into our dimension of perception yeah I mean you could

[00:37:17] almost guarantee that we're not seeing anything for what it truly is because we're so limited by our

[00:37:22] perception like we have our five senses and then we project them onto the world and think that the

[00:37:28] world is those things like we you know see here touch taste smell and then we think that's just

[00:37:36] our senses you know and then we think the world is sights touches sounds smells like we think

[00:37:42] that's what the world is but it's just our limited perception being projected outward so

[00:37:48] you could argue that we probably don't see anything as it truly is yeah

[00:37:53] yeah so like what is that like picks up the our ultimate question like what is reality

[00:37:59] you know what's the true nature of it is it just is it code or we is it information I think

[00:38:05] if it is that I think reality is is information like consciousness content or something like that

[00:38:11] and you know we as humans dogs cats whatever we develop and evolve the senses to perceive and intake

[00:38:20] that information in a certain way that coexist or that allows us to survive essentially so

[00:38:28] to say that what we're seeing is accurate and is what reality actually is probably not and all

[00:38:34] you have to do is like take the requisite psychedelic and you understand that what you're seeing

[00:38:40] is not really what's there yeah because like we only they say we see like a tiny percentage of

[00:38:45] the light spectrum alone so like there's tons of things that are supposedly in reality that we

[00:38:51] aren't seeing like we evolved with certain senses with the main objective of survival so if we

[00:38:58] were seeing everything at once we couldn't survive in like this finite form we would just

[00:39:04] you know we wouldn't be able to eat we wouldn't be able to do anything because it would be so

[00:39:08] overwhelming so we've just been designed or evolved to just intake enough information so we could

[00:39:16] survive and then like you said when you take a psychedelic it's like you start seeing all these

[00:39:22] things that you know aren't aren't in our normal ability of perception so like if you lived your

[00:39:29] entire life in a psychedelic state like a deep you know heavy psychedelic state you wouldn't be

[00:39:35] able to maintain your physical body you wouldn't be able to maintain there'd just be too much what's

[00:39:39] crazy do you hear about those elephants it was in the year africa where they just trip all day long

[00:39:44] you remember that oh yeah because they eat plants a type of psychedelic plant and they eat it

[00:39:50] all day long they just exist in this trip state their whole life you know I often wonder like is

[00:39:58] that just what every animal is are we existing we are existing in a trip state all the time because

[00:40:04] if you think about it first of all it is proven that in our bodies in certain places I think the

[00:40:11] lungs has been confirmed that DMT is endogenously created within us so we're just an amalgamation

[00:40:20] of brain chemistry anyway that equals a perception so to me it I think that goes for every being

[00:40:27] that's living we're just living in a weird hallucination that adheres to whatever like perceptual

[00:40:34] senses that we've developed over evolutionary years but are we though are we just an amalgamation

[00:40:41] of brain chemistry well I would say what we consider reality that we're seeing hearing feeling

[00:40:48] that's if you're like as you said earlier if we define reality based off of what we see what we

[00:40:54] hear what we feel then yes we're just we're experiencing an amalgamation of brain chemistry but

[00:41:01] again when you take this psychedelic or when you do the particular meditation you can sort of

[00:41:06] branch away from there because it's as we were saying earlier you look inside you find the answers

[00:41:12] inside yourself or inside your mind as opposed to what's outside of it the reason I ask is because

[00:41:18] I would say like another way to look at it would be that the brain chemistry that you observe is

[00:41:25] more of an image of a thing rather than the thing producing it so like for instance like if you're

[00:41:30] in if you're terribly depressed and sad and crying and you look in the mirror and you see a contorted

[00:41:35] face with tears streaming down the face you look at it you see the face and the tears the face and the

[00:41:41] tears aren't the sadness it's the image of sadness so when you look into brain chemistry you could

[00:41:47] say that it's just the image of what another individual consciousness experience is so it's not

[00:41:54] that that is what's producing it it's just an image of what that experience looks like from the outside

[00:42:00] you know I mean yeah it brings to mind like a photography you know in the 1800s when they just

[00:42:07] used like the really rudimentary you know a version of photography you have this like crappy image

[00:42:12] it's very grainy black and white and now we have these high definition cameras so it's like when you

[00:42:18] upgrade the tools the image upgrades as well but the image it's this this awesome quote that the map

[00:42:26] is not the territory the image is not the reality it's just the image right it's not the thing in

[00:42:31] itself yes so like I would say that that could be extrapolated to like because the normal materialist

[00:42:36] view is that like the brain chemistry produces the experience where really the experience just is

[00:42:41] and when you look at someone's brain you're seeing an image of their experience not that that you

[00:42:47] know the image or the experience is created within that chemical construction it's just an image

[00:42:53] of what an experience looks like or like it just kind of happens it's almost a result of the experience

[00:42:59] not the other way around right we look at the brain because we say like okay you get in a car accident

[00:43:05] you smack your head and you know you're altered you know you can be altered forever if you have

[00:43:10] damaged unto your brain but that doesn't necessarily mean that the reality itself is altered it's

[00:43:19] just it's the perception it's again it's the image that's altered I had a question is a burning

[00:43:24] question and I had a tough time with it I think you guys might have talked about already you guys

[00:43:29] believe in free will did you hear about that Stanford scientist that just came out and you said

[00:43:35] that there is no such thing as free will I don't think I don't believe that like that's the

[00:43:41] Sam Harris argument too that there is no free will me and Joe I talked about this plenty of times

[00:43:47] and if you if you're saying that you don't have free will like you're still acting as if you do

[00:43:55] you know to me it's a paradox that we have to be able to hold that there are certain aspects of

[00:44:00] of our being that are automatic that we do not have free will over but we do have free will to

[00:44:06] a certain extent and if you say you don't but you act as if you do then your the paradox is off balance

[00:44:13] see and I go back on forth back and forth on this too and it's like I think it's because it is a

[00:44:18] paradox because in your first person experience you experience free will as if you have free will

[00:44:25] but part of me I think in actuality that there may not be free will in the way that we normally

[00:44:31] consider it you know you experience the act of free will when you're kind of in an illusionary state

[00:44:37] but if you take it to its extreme I would argue that you don't even exist to have a free will

[00:44:46] that's like the furthest I think you could take it because right now I would say that it's an

[00:44:51] illusion to identify with the ego and that the ego that you are identified with isn't actually

[00:44:57] true and doesn't exist so if you don't actually exist then there's no ability for you to have a free

[00:45:02] will for instance like I would say the free will that exists is the free will of existence so

[00:45:08] existence is willed into existence basically God's will but if you consider yourself as a part

[00:45:16] that you are nature that you're not separate from it that is all just happening and you aren't

[00:45:22] identified with an aspect of it meaning the ego then you aren't there to have a free will to make

[00:45:28] the decision so I would say like you're not necessarily ever making a decision it's just essentially

[00:45:36] happening to what you're identifying with if that makes any sense I understand what you're saying but

[00:45:41] if you bring it back down to like I like to think about animals when I think about this type of

[00:45:49] thing because when you talk about like free will from a human you can get really caught up in your

[00:45:53] own mind about what it means and what I am like is that's the whole basis of the question that

[00:45:58] you said like what is me who am I then if I don't have free will if I'm not my ego then who am I

[00:46:05] but I think when people ask the question of whether or not we have free will they're asking it based

[00:46:11] off of like an ego centric like perception you know an ego centric point of view so if we bring

[00:46:19] it down into like into the duel and I say as my ego or as my biological survival being

[00:46:25] I do have free will but then on the other side of that as you said you don't at the same time

[00:46:30] and I think that's where that paradox does exist. Exactly so I would from the first person experience

[00:46:36] of the ego free will exist but in actuality when you investigate the self and you start to peel apart

[00:46:43] the layers and understand that what you are isn't your name isn't your body isn't the thoughts you

[00:46:49] have or the ideas you identify with and then you strip it all the way and then finally come to an

[00:46:54] answer of who am I what am I and you realize that you're not the ego you aren't there to make the

[00:47:00] decision so you're in an actuality and I this goes against everything I want to be true because like

[00:47:06] it is a human being I want to say I have free will and in a sense like you mentioned it's a paradox

[00:47:12] from the first person sense I have a free will because I behave as if I do I behave as if

[00:47:18] you know I'm the one making decisions but when you truly strip everything down to the true nature

[00:47:24] of what you are which is the same thing that all of us are is the same single thing

[00:47:28] which is everything all of nature then you don't actually have any free will in making decisions

[00:47:34] but you are the thing that wills existence as a totality and I think a very important aspect to

[00:47:41] look at this as is like you know we you think about the connection between the people in this room

[00:47:48] being everybody there's a connection there's something that connects all beings and all people

[00:47:54] and within that connection again if you kind of bring it down to the duel we have a certain

[00:48:00] amount of free will in terms of how we affect the field that we share as people as animals you know

[00:48:06] so I think that's where the free will really kind of resides is you know what are we doing to

[00:48:11] affect the field that connects all of us you know we spreading love are we spreading hate that's

[00:48:16] where the free will I think is the free will thing is it's really mind blowing to me because like

[00:48:23] it brings into questions just about everything because even the aspect of time when you say that

[00:48:28] it makes me think about time as well because for free will to exist then time has to be as it appears

[00:48:35] so it would have to be a true sense to there being calls and effect so in order for there to be

[00:48:41] a free will there has to be a a a cause that equals the effect basically let me just before we go

[00:48:49] there I want to ask you guys what do you think about time do you think that time exists is it an

[00:48:56] illusion is it not real at all what do you think I don't I personally don't think time exists no

[00:49:02] I think it's me and me like a construct can you extrapolate on that a little bit uh

[00:49:09] no okay let me ask what what would be the difference between it being real and between it like

[00:49:15] being man-made like what what does it mean to be a man-made do you mean it's like it's an idea

[00:49:19] as opposed to something that's actually real I just the way that I feel about it because okay I've

[00:49:26] been through my fair share of psychedelic experiences where time does not exist but time

[00:49:36] on this human plane is more so um a means to structure things it's a survival mechanism it's

[00:49:46] something that you have to adhere to to survive yes and evolutionarily over all of the millions of

[00:49:52] years that we've been you know evolving we've adhered to time and you just look no further than

[00:49:58] it's just the sun time is just the sun you know that's it and your relative position and the mass

[00:50:04] of the thing you're standing on it's weird and like the illusion of entropy as well you know see I was

[00:50:12] it's such a difficult question but you think about like because you know now they're they're space

[00:50:17] time that like Einstein would say that space in time or the same thing and I was thinking about

[00:50:23] time I don't think that it actually exists first off because you can't get a hold of it like I

[00:50:28] can't show you any time ever all I can show you is now like you can you can't point at time you can't

[00:50:33] grasp a hold of it I can point to a watch or I can point to a clock but that's not what time is so

[00:50:39] like as soon as the second passes it's it's always going to be now basically and while it's

[00:50:45] thinking about what time could be is that all time is is the space in between two thoughts

[00:50:55] does that make sense and then what space would be is a medium in which simultaneous thoughts can

[00:51:05] appear in continuity and this is based off of the idea that possibly what I would believe is that

[00:51:12] reality is mental in nature it's more of a mind than a physical structure so in our finite minds

[00:51:20] we think of time as it's just a space between two thoughts so our finite minds can have

[00:51:26] separate thoughts so it's actually a space between those thoughts and then this physical realm

[00:51:32] of space is just enabling the mind to have simultaneous thoughts with continuity that makes sense

[00:51:40] then what is the explicit connection of space and time because there is an obvious connection

[00:51:46] between the two so much so that they depend on one another you know if you're like when you talk

[00:51:51] about space travel you know and I mean you talk about light years these are these are concepts that

[00:51:57] marry space and time which can lead to quantifiable observations so what do you think is the

[00:52:04] connection between space and time if they aren't the same thing or not the same maybe

[00:52:09] they're two sides of the same coin like I said I kind of agree with them being constructs but

[00:52:16] I think that because like for instance I don't think like I said time actually exists and

[00:52:21] like I was kind of saying before the whole cause and effect thing there's no there's I would say

[00:52:27] that all that exists is this right now and this is all that will ever exist and when you think

[00:52:32] of something that caused this it's just it's pure imagination and construct basically time to me

[00:52:41] seems to be it seems to be experience and the way the reason I say that is because again like a

[00:52:47] lot I had mentioned she's had you know psychedelic experiences where time doesn't really seem to exist

[00:52:54] it's hard to say that like such a definitive black and white statement like time is not real time

[00:52:59] does not exist but you can experience time differently than what we consider linear

[00:53:07] eternal time it's almost as if time does not follow a timeline it's rather infinite instead

[00:53:15] but it's it's really hard to say it doesn't exist because like as you said what kind of popped out

[00:53:20] to me as part of what you said was you can't show anybody time you can't show it but you also can't

[00:53:26] show consciousness you can't you can point to a person but that's the watch consciousness is

[00:53:32] the time so right it doesn't necessarily mean that consciousness doesn't exist because if you were

[00:53:37] I were to be pressed we'd probably say consciousness is the only thing that exists so just because

[00:53:42] it can't be shown and it can't be seen or heard or whatever doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't

[00:53:48] exist at the same time it does though it will definitely know it's another paradox it's like free will

[00:53:54] but like we have to I would say in our finite minds in the human state of consciousness we have to

[00:54:01] kind of construct time or believe time for like for instance for you to answer my question

[00:54:08] like for you to answer a question I ask you there has to be a space between those thoughts

[00:54:13] and that spaces I would say what we call time but that it doesn't actually exist as it I would say

[00:54:19] there's only an infinite moment like an eternal now but in this game that we play we kind of

[00:54:27] we have to parse things between thoughts and that's what we call time I would say I don't think

[00:54:32] that we are it's more of like a dream I would say reality itself so it's not like like when you wake

[00:54:39] up from a dream you don't consider the time of the dream as like a serious like tangible thing

[00:54:46] and often in dreams time doesn't actually make any sense so I would say that it's just a way for us

[00:54:51] to maintain coherence in this experience rather than a thing that actually exists and like I would say

[00:54:59] through psychedelic experience you can you know a lot of times when people use psychedelics they say

[00:55:04] they experience things that are real or they're real more real than are like human state of being where

[00:55:11] you transcend being a human being and you enter into something else where you can experience truths

[00:55:17] that that seem more true than what you experience at this level of consciousness and I would say that

[00:55:24] you can experience a state that feels more true that time is a literal non-factor where there's

[00:55:34] there's a multitude of states you could experience somewhere you could basically feel the relativity

[00:55:39] of time that it's not an absolute thing that's absolutely relative like Einstein said like what

[00:55:45] I don't know exactly what he said but basically putting your hand on a burning stove for five minutes

[00:55:50] is a lot longer than sitting next to someone you love for five minutes so that's like the relativity

[00:55:55] of time and I think if something is relative then it's by nature not absolute in a sense you know

[00:56:02] yeah so I think it's just all part of like the state of a human being like our finite minds

[00:56:09] constructing something but it can be transcended to a point where there's no actual time

[00:56:16] what do you think Nicole? So I'm gonna bring up something weird about time so has anybody ever

[00:56:26] been sitting on your phone and doing something and you look at the clock and it's you know whatever

[00:56:31] eight o'clock and then you look at the clock like you believe would be two minutes later and it's

[00:56:35] still eight o'clock and you're like what? Like how how is time not passed since I last looked at the

[00:56:40] clock it feels like it's been a couple minutes. What I've noticed and I've paid attention to on my phone

[00:56:47] is that sometimes my phone glitches where it'll be eight o'clock and then all of a sudden I'll look

[00:56:54] at my phone again or I'll like keep staring at the time and then it'll just be eight o' three

[00:56:58] and I'm like did my phone like lag on the time but it scares you because it's like

[00:57:06] if my like how do I know that time actually passed if my phone is lagging like has that happened

[00:57:12] to everybody or was that just my phone? And if that is a thing then could you know why do days feel

[00:57:19] shorter are they glitching our phones and speeding up time glitching all of I mean I know that would

[00:57:25] be pretty hard because there are so many clocks everywhere you would have to manipulate all of them

[00:57:30] at the same time to to make it be everything but I mean if how many times if you run into where

[00:57:39] clock is slow or clock is fast like do you remember changing the time on it? No but somehow it's fast

[00:57:44] somehow it's slow has it always been slow or has have our phones been speeding up but our manual time

[00:57:52] clocks not speed it like sped up like I don't know that that blows my mind and that sense like

[00:58:00] it has time has to be and agreed upon construct because like let's say the powers that be decided

[00:58:06] to fast forward time and hour we would have to accept that that's what the time truly was.

[00:58:10] Well think about that that's about to happen daylight savings is exactly that yeah but like we've

[00:58:16] all agreed that time moves an hour forward or an hour back two times a year.

[00:58:21] And like with the relativity of time because like you'd say sometimes it feels like time is moving

[00:58:27] faster than other times like to me it feels like time has to move and it's the relativity of it is

[00:58:37] based upon the like I was mentioning before the space between thoughts so if you're looking at the

[00:58:45] time with zero thought it feels like it's moving really slowly you're waiting for it to go but if

[00:58:50] in mind if there is a lot of content in consciousness a lot of thoughts happening time seems to move

[00:58:57] faster so I think that the relativity of time could be dependent upon the amount of thoughts or

[00:59:04] basically just contents within consciousness the more content of consciousness the faster time goes.

[00:59:10] This is like Terrence McKenna's novelty theory right it's like when there's like the farther that

[00:59:16] time goes like time quote unquote as we know it along the timeline the more events that happen

[00:59:22] within a condensed period of time right so then you can redefine what time is based off of the

[00:59:28] amount of events that are happening within that time frame so it's like right now there's say like

[00:59:35] 10 events that might 10 big events that might happen in a single year whereas a thousand years

[00:59:40] ago it was like one event you know and as time proceeds and as things evolve and as like Joe was

[00:59:47] mentioning entropy as things start to complexify time is time is almost like reevaluated yeah and

[00:59:55] like even you could bring it home a little bit like let's say in the nineteen

[00:59:59] nineteen fifties let's say the amount of time it would take to make as many movies in that

[01:00:08] that we make in one year like how many movies which we push out the time can now compare to

[01:00:13] then is so condensed so like time is an effect moving so much faster because we are able to produce

[01:00:21] things that would have taken years in the past take a tiny amount of time now like for us to

[01:00:27] do this whole production and podcasts 30 years ago we would it would take us a very long time

[01:00:32] to be able to do this but now it's like this can happen in an instant basically will be done

[01:00:37] an hour it'll be done it'll be right ago like sure I'll need to be edited in

[01:00:40] the same way like the marmal movie we make now we can do it in two years and you know that would

[01:00:46] take decades you know just a few decades back so that's kind of like McKenna saying like that time

[01:00:52] it's kind of speeding up as we're moving forward and it seems to be because as I was saying before

[01:00:57] the contents within consciousness are happening faster and faster do you think technology has

[01:01:02] something to do with that though well absolutely yeah it's weird how quickly things like medical

[01:01:09] science to me blows it constantly is blowing my mind medical and AI science is constantly blowing my

[01:01:16] mind and with AI especially it's like they say whenever we create an AI that can begin like is

[01:01:25] intelligent enough to begin improving upon itself the first instant that that is able to happen

[01:01:31] it will surpass millions of years of human evolution in like a fraction of a second and a

[01:01:37] single moment the amount of improvement it will be able to have upon itself will surpass anything

[01:01:44] we could imagine that would be like the singularity where we're basically fucked in owned by a

[01:01:48] machine at that point and if that ever happens it's hard to say I don't know I don't know about AI

[01:01:56] to me it's like I feel like a lot of people either think it's total nonsense or they put too much

[01:02:01] faith into it like for me you know I haven't seen anything I think like the mid-journey like the

[01:02:08] images and the video stuff it's pretty cool and creative and it's awesome but I haven't seen anything

[01:02:12] that like blows my mind quite yet like the chat GPT it's a language model I mean I think we have

[01:02:19] such high expectations because people when they talk about AI like a lot of people especially the

[01:02:23] layman they start to talk about like a being like a sentient computer like we're creating a life

[01:02:29] whereas I don't see that to be what we're doing yet I mean maybe it's possible but

[01:02:34] one really cool thing that I heard AI could potentially help with is like being able to decipher

[01:02:40] languages and writings from ancient cultures that we see that recently that's been blowing my mind

[01:02:47] so cool that that'll be fascinating yeah I've heard about that just recently that they're starting

[01:02:54] to try to do that I forget what text that they're trying to use it on but I mean you know if that's

[01:03:01] possible that would be incredible I think it's already been successful in something that we can

[01:03:08] kind of understand already because obviously chat GPT and all these AI systems kind of their

[01:03:14] data miners you know they mine already existing knowledge that humans have established but the

[01:03:22] hope is that eventually it can apply the same types of like maneuvering to be able to decipher

[01:03:30] something that we can't read or can't see because like if an AI gets strong enough it would be

[01:03:41] able to basically see the future in a sense like it's kind of like the terminism like I would say

[01:03:48] that you could argue that there's no such thing as randomness in the universe it's just nothing

[01:03:53] is random we're just lacking the ability to identify variables so like when you flip a coin it's not

[01:03:58] actually random because if we had if we knew the exact force in which it's being flipped in the

[01:04:04] air density if you could account for all those variables you'd be able to predict with 100%

[01:04:09] certainty what side it would land on same with like rolling a dice so it's not actually random it's

[01:04:13] just our inability to you know identify all the different variables so like if you were to look

[01:04:20] at the universe as like a a like a a a a a big pool table for instance like you hit the the queue

[01:04:27] hit the balls you think it's random but if you like I mentioned with the flipping the coin if you

[01:04:31] understood each variable you'd be able to predict and this has been done they'll be able to predict

[01:04:35] exactly where each ball will land so if an AI was intelligent enough to gather all variables in

[01:04:43] existence which I don't know it's possible but let's say if it was able to determine every single

[01:04:48] variable it could play that out and tell you exactly what the future is you know I mean and that

[01:04:54] applies only to the physical three-dimensional plane and we find ourselves in here this that does

[01:05:02] not apply to you know what exists outside of the mind you know the spirit whatever the realms

[01:05:08] we were talking about earlier that stuff is still anybody's guess you know and that's the stuff

[01:05:14] I'd like that aspect of reality true reality where I would say an AI would have zero place being

[01:05:23] really I mean it's it's being built under the context of materialism being built in the context of

[01:05:28] this physical reality so like it there's no way I would say an AI would transcend that because

[01:05:35] the builders aren't transcending it do you think AI could create its own religion eventually

[01:05:40] I think that's like basically or we're at there we're pretty much at that point yeah I think

[01:05:45] that's what will happen I mean I you could argue that Google is its own religion I mean like people

[01:05:50] just go to Google for absolute truth like you want to know the truth I'm not a fan of Google me either

[01:05:57] but you know it's internet technology it's already being worshiped in a sense especially

[01:06:03] like in Western society it's like we and imagine an AI that will be God to us like it will look

[01:06:08] to it for all our answers we'll think it's all knowing so I would say that's almost like

[01:06:14] exactly what will have to happen at least for a lot of people I don't mean to go off the rails

[01:06:19] did you hear what Google is doing since last week where they're going to go through your search

[01:06:23] history and look for dangerous search terms who determines that that's not good it's not good at all

[01:06:31] there's also this guy coming out speaking of Google he was talking about how Google has been

[01:06:35] rigging elections for it's like this guy something Epstein I believe it because it's

[01:06:40] it's story suppression all the time think of all the things that you probably could have heard about

[01:06:44] about not even I wouldn't even say our election cycle I'm thinking like pretty much any

[01:06:49] elections like well how much stuff is held back due to the person being like all right I need

[01:06:54] to talk to the Google execs and give them X amount of money so they just don't publish this content

[01:07:00] there's a backdoor it's so far that you can't find it they definitely do that and another thing

[01:07:05] that they were doing is that they were sending notification like because first they have all your

[01:07:09] info what you search they know what what your political leanings are so say they want a Democrat to win

[01:07:16] what they would do is send out notifications on voting day to all people who have Democrat leaning

[01:07:23] ideas or whatever they'd send them all notifications they go vote today go vote today and not send

[01:07:28] it and send it's like 10% of people on the other aisle and just that alone is proven to send like

[01:07:34] a massive amount of voters out to actually vote just by giving them a single notification

[01:07:39] and if you do it in a certain political leaning you can just with that basically there's data

[01:07:43] showing that that can rig an entire election just by sending a single notification on

[01:07:47] on the day of voting and that has happened to only a specific group of people right and this guy he's

[01:07:54] this Epstein guy works for Google or used to or whatever he is a left leaning democratic voting guy

[01:08:01] but he discovered this and found that in the last election it was totally rigged for you know

[01:08:06] the Democrats to win and of course then they do win because the power of this technology

[01:08:11] but he found this and he's speaking up against it which is commendable because it was his people

[01:08:15] that he wanted to win that benefited from it but he's coming out against it which I find pretty

[01:08:20] cool and it's just mind blowing this guy's been on a bunch of interviews lately I just heard him

[01:08:25] and it's like the power of the technology is just out of control and he's re-regulation

[01:08:31] I feel yeah I agree in a sense but then it's like these people who regulate like

[01:08:35] who's saying what to regulate and right there's no clear answer I mean it's like this technology has

[01:08:41] been developed so fast and we have no ability to like control it I was gonna say I think it's out of

[01:08:47] our hands at this point yeah and then the conception it was like well it's out there and

[01:08:51] that's there's nothing you can do about it at this point it just is yeah I mean we are in like the

[01:08:55] infancy of the internet like this is a brand new thing so like we are trying to get a hold of it

[01:09:00] and like when you talk about government regulating stuff like our government can't even regulate

[01:09:04] like something like Facebook like they are all this trouble trying to regulate and talk about

[01:09:09] how they're gonna regulate an AI or something so much more complex they can't even handle like

[01:09:14] these small social media things so it's like you know I don't know if whoever controls it has a

[01:09:21] massive amount of power and basically run the world around our minds do you guys do you

[01:09:26] three since you all work on could you ever worry about your jobs eventually uh yeah and actually

[01:09:33] what was that um we're just talking about it the thing that monitors like your eye movements

[01:09:40] and focus and all that oh he told me about this in China they did that in schools and that sounds

[01:09:46] terrifying it's like a thought police like you can't even think a wrong thought or this device will

[01:09:52] be like hey their eye movement is doing things there are unparticular to them actually focusing

[01:09:56] on this particular thing like go ahead and with a switch it measures your uh your the fluids

[01:10:02] in your body too like it can measure everything brain wave activity that is the thing that worries me

[01:10:10] I don't worry about my job being taken over by AI I worry about like them monitoring me to the

[01:10:16] point where I am a literal slave to AI well you're gonna well I feel like you're a slave I feel

[01:10:22] like you're gonna be a slave either way because if you lose your job to AI then you're gonna have

[01:10:26] to look for other means of money and they're eventually going to be like hey guess what like there's

[01:10:31] so many people that don't have jobs like there has to be a universal basic income and then you're

[01:10:35] a slave to that but you don't win I don't see a point where you win yeah I think we're gonna like

[01:10:40] inevitably be slaves to AI I mean it's it's already uh beginning to happen I think they send out robot

[01:10:46] dogs as law enforcement in like New York so eventually there will be a i robotic law enforcement

[01:10:54] which is scary and they're trying to eventually weed out like a human driver so there will be

[01:11:01] like all driverless cars and so like with all these things it's like it limits your free

[01:11:08] your free will your freedom in so many ways it's like if the government says turn off the cars

[01:11:13] you can't put gas in your car and drive off on your own they're done you know that the grid determines

[01:11:18] and then you know we're kind of talking about on the way here like when if a calat

[01:11:24] uh cataclysm would come it's like if we are so dependent on technology and AI and then

[01:11:29] something happens that destroys the grid like a solar flare an asteroid impact it's like we are

[01:11:33] totally fucked we've become totally reliant on technology just to even maintain our sanity like

[01:11:39] i feel now it's like you take away a cell phone from from someone for a day and they start itching

[01:11:44] you know and that's just like that has nothing even to do with survival that's just mental clarity

[01:11:48] and health like we are so attached to this stuff let alone the ability to actually survive we

[01:11:53] can't survive without technology we think food comes from the grocery store we don't get our food

[01:11:58] like there are people i've seen people say that like it's not they would say like you know where's

[01:12:02] the food come from it comes from the grocery store we did an episode where people thought they did

[01:12:08] a commercial and add and it was for pasta a pasta farm and it was growing pasta on pasta trees

[01:12:16] and they said they had an influx of people that called in asking for the trees

[01:12:24] yes there's this uh there's this uh famous political commentator smart dude and he posted on twitter

[01:12:32] he was in an airplane flying over middle america and he is take he took a picture is smart guy dude

[01:12:38] like a smart intelligent political analyst he took a picture from the plane window of like farms

[01:12:44] he was flying over middle america and you know how when you see like farms overhead it's like grids

[01:12:48] of different colors of different crops and he took the picture and he's like what are they doing

[01:12:52] down here like what is like this intelligent guy like real intelligent didn't know what a farm was

[01:12:58] he's never seen it or never just didn't know what it was and this isn't like an idiot this is a guy

[01:13:03] who if you were sitting here right now you'd like well this guy's got it together he's smart

[01:13:07] is this like an inevitable outcome of the human species ability to do so many things but they're so

[01:13:17] compartmentalized like we have scientists and we have engineers and we have car retailers and we

[01:13:23] have data entry people and we have you know what I mean and there's so many very like centralized

[01:13:29] skill sets that humans have but I guess what that means is that there has to be a lot of people

[01:13:34] that can't do a lot of things and is that detrimental to our survival as a detrimental to you know

[01:13:40] the ongoing progress of our evolution see I would say it is detrimental and like the ideal society

[01:13:47] would be like a society of polymands like how can you Leonardo da Vinci's well I'm just saying

[01:13:51] that would be ideal like if if if our society was structured in a way where you every person learns

[01:13:58] an instrument when they're young and then every person learns mathematics and that's what they

[01:14:02] would call polymath like a Renaissance man like a Leonardo da Vinci was like amazing and all these

[01:14:07] different things and that would be the ideal but like you said like I think we're moving in a

[01:14:13] sense further away from what I would say absolute truth because we compartmentalize everything so

[01:14:17] much like if you look into the past there used to be natural science which was like a mixture of

[01:14:22] kind of science and philosophy it was one thing and now today as time moved forward we have millions

[01:14:28] of different sciences like a science of everything you could spend your whole life studying birds

[01:14:32] but then you're going to know a lot about birds but nothing about the totality there's no like

[01:14:36] holistic view of reality anymore because it's so compartmentalized because you can look into each

[01:14:41] thing infinitely you can study every aspect of reality forever but the each of those things is

[01:14:48] are they're all worthwhile endeavors right it's a worthwhile endeavor to look into birds so much that

[01:14:54] you know everything about birds because there's just so much to learn there's so much to know about

[01:14:58] our reality that it almost feels like at a certain point in time in our history we decided because

[01:15:03] there was a point in time where Renaissance men that was a thing now it's sort of not a thing

[01:15:10] and I think what happened was we realized that there are so there's so much to learn about every

[01:15:14] little individual aspect of reality that we figured let's do that you know and I think there's

[01:15:20] that that's worthy oh yeah like I'm not saying that's all bad but what you mentioned the detriment

[01:15:24] and I think the detriment is that that we have no holistic view of reality as a whole or what we're

[01:15:29] doing here it's this like it's so fractured that you don't have anybody looking at the totality of it

[01:15:35] like you know I we might have talked about this on a podcast before like holistic thinking we're like

[01:15:42] you know now we have people who think reality is made of strings like we're so into the physical

[01:15:48] matter that we want to zoom in say it's made of atoms it's made of all these different things

[01:15:53] but you could look at it in a different way and I forget who came up with this idea but it's like a more

[01:15:57] holistic way to look at reality and not in a material sense that reality is made of what are called

[01:16:02] holons which all reality is is made up of holes that are made up of parts in which the parts are

[01:16:10] made up of holes that are made up of parts so it's like a fractal like for instance I am a human body

[01:16:16] that's made of organs and the organs are made of cells and the cells are made of atoms and the

[01:16:20] I mean it's just like a fracturing of holes into parts and then the parts into more holes into more

[01:16:26] parts and all the way down so it's more of a conceptual thinking rather than a literal material

[01:16:32] thinking and that's like a more holistic view of kind of seeing reality as a whole fractured

[01:16:40] into parts of more holes this concept I think is what the original mandalas were trying to capture

[01:16:46] if you look at a mandala that's exactly what it is like this this this fractal thing and I don't

[01:16:53] think it's a coincidence that when you take us like a delic substance you very commonly see fractals

[01:17:00] and these fractals are alive a lot of times they're moving they're it almost seems as if there

[01:17:05] are representations of reality itself and yeah they're infinite and that's why I like the the

[01:17:09] whole on way of looking at reality that's made of holons because it's not like a definitive

[01:17:15] thing like it's made of this material or this but it's a conceptual thinking and I think that is

[01:17:20] true like based on psychedelics it's like that reality isn't no doubt fractal in nature

[01:17:25] nature itself it is just full of fractals and sacred geometry and all that so I think there's so

[01:17:31] many different ways that we can look at things but we're so steeped into one way and you know that

[01:17:36] one way isn't all bad I mean it led to all this technology it led to the medical advancements

[01:17:42] and maybe AI but it seems like in my opinion this way we're moving right now and like Western

[01:17:49] culture is untenable like this is not good like our mental health is being destroyed like this

[01:17:55] is not going to last that's why like when I hear people talk about the future and they say like

[01:18:01] they think it's always going to be this way and better I don't share that same view I don't think

[01:18:06] that this stream can continue I think it's going to have to end because I don't think it's cohesive

[01:18:11] with the human experience it seems like we're at a dissonance with technology with our bodies

[01:18:17] our minds our souls so I don't think like oh you know in 50 years we're just going to have these

[01:18:23] you know chips in our brains that allow us to do this stuff I would not be surprised to see this

[01:18:28] this momentum halted at any moment I just don't think it's cohesive I don't think that

[01:18:33] it is mental-ass I think that we're seeing a descent right now and you know mental health

[01:18:38] in just people's understanding of who they are their sexuality there every single thing about

[01:18:43] a human being is being like kind of torn apart it's kind of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't help that

[01:18:48] they're constantly making you question yourself too yeah I'm at at large like the general I wouldn't

[01:18:55] say the general population but they make you want to question everything yeah and I mean it's

[01:19:02] we no longer investigate anything for ourselves so I mean the most investigation we'll do is

[01:19:08] like I said a Google search or something and then then you know like there's no

[01:19:14] real introspection I think that's a lost art it's an art that needs to be practiced and that nobody

[01:19:19] really does anymore because instead of introspecting or looking within for any type of answer you have

[01:19:24] something in your pocket that will give you a definitive answer that you can latch on to identify

[01:19:29] with and say okay this is it I know this now it took zero thinking zero problem solving so I don't

[01:19:35] think it's healthy and I don't think it's going to continue I think maybe something like this has

[01:19:40] happened in the past like you know there's speculations of past cultures and you know maybe human

[01:19:45] beings have been rising and falling for a hundred thousand years 500,000 years who knows so I

[01:19:51] I wouldn't be surprised if you know we're just on a weird a weird path that could be halted

[01:19:57] whatever do you think like the technological advances have something to do with this too because I

[01:20:02] think back to like more ancient civilizations they didn't have this technology their focus was

[01:20:08] survival and in their like tightly knit villages like everybody had a specific job that was imperative

[01:20:16] to the survival of that particular group of people and now like you know we get all our food from

[01:20:22] the grocery store there's nobody around here that's farming for everybody and we're at a point

[01:20:28] now where you know everything is spoon fed to us and it doesn't take a lot of brain power to find

[01:20:33] the answer to something that's fed to fed to you through the algorithm that is Google and I just

[01:20:40] think a lot of people have gotten complacent and lazy and you know let's say tomorrow an asteroid did

[01:20:48] hit and we were completely off the grid so many people would perish because they they have no idea

[01:20:56] how to survive it'd be chaos in day one yeah it would be insane even if the just the electrical grid

[01:21:03] went down you would see chaos in two weeks you'd see people fucking killing and robbing and taking water

[01:21:09] like I mean we're so used to just having all this stuff think about like when the pandemic started

[01:21:14] that's what I'm beginning of covid that wasn't even that bad people fought over toilet paper yes over

[01:21:19] toilet paper but and all the stuff that you just described is basically all the stuff that leads to

[01:21:25] I would say like what Jordan Peterson talks about like the meaning crisis I mean we have as a

[01:21:30] society is like no meaning I mean if you are in a small group of people where you're all tightly

[01:21:36] knitted and you all have a job to keep your group alive you have deep meaning in everything you do

[01:21:41] it's like you have to go out and get food to feed the people that you you know are dependent upon you

[01:21:46] like that's you know it gives you deep meaning to you know do that throughout the day but now we're

[01:21:51] all in jobs where it's just you're looking at the car removal of meeting yeah there's no meaning to

[01:21:55] the job is just work for work's sake so yeah and that's a true meaning crisis and it's sad because I

[01:22:02] think it also has to do with like our metaphysical paradigm because like if you switch your mode

[01:22:08] of thinking and I think psychedelics can have a huge impact on people for this is that you can see

[01:22:12] that reality in itself is is meaningful like there is a a meaning to just reality itself everything

[01:22:20] has intrinsic meaning but we're so steeped in in just a physical outlook of the world and

[01:22:26] the death of the soul the death of God just atheism whatever and it kind of removes meaning from

[01:22:32] everything and it's just that you are just a physical you're a meat suit in a you know a rock

[01:22:40] in the middle of space I don't I don't think that's healthy I don't think it's true I think it's

[01:22:46] all these things coming together are leading to like a deep meaning crisis and a lot of things

[01:22:52] that I just think are untenable and are going to collapse at some point I mean and like you think

[01:22:57] of just with the technology becomes these advanced weapons systems that can destroy the whole planet

[01:23:02] we have more nukes that can nuke the whole planet over like a hundred times so these things are

[01:23:08] all floating around under our seas they're all over in silos let alone the weapon systems that

[01:23:13] we will never know about until they're unleashed I mean nobody knew about the nuclear bomb until

[01:23:18] it was unleashed you know they probably have insane chemical weapons that could just wipe out

[01:23:23] populations of people all sorts of stuff they're doing you know with like the covid virus where

[01:23:28] they call that gain a function research yet gain a function research I mean you got there's all this

[01:23:34] six stuff going on it's like there's what's the means to this end like it's crazy stuff and I just

[01:23:40] don't think it'll last there are some people who are okay with that type of research because they're

[01:23:49] like well if it's going to make my life better and we've kind of lost humanity at that point then

[01:23:55] like if we're okay with people I mean I'm sure if they're okay with animals it happening to

[01:24:00] they're okay with people it happening too as long as that person you justify it right you say well

[01:24:07] that person was really old or that person was a vegetable okay yeah but they're also a person

[01:24:15] so who are you to test on that person or animal just to potentially make somebody else's life

[01:24:26] better but I don't know I mean it's never to make someone's life better it's usually to make money

[01:24:32] yes yes I mean you're seeing money money you're seeing like all sorts of just horrible things play

[01:24:38] out right now like right now in Canada they're like having this movement of euthanasia where they're

[01:24:42] allowing people to kill themselves like they're basically future I'm a made joke about this the

[01:24:47] suicide booth yeah that's becoming a reality in Canada and they're expanding its nature like at first

[01:24:53] it was like terminal people are allowed to you know decide to kill themselves and then it became

[01:24:58] that you didn't have to be terminal like there's this woman who couldn't afford um something in her

[01:25:03] house like she had trouble moving and they they wouldn't give her like her insurance wouldn't pay for

[01:25:08] her to get something installed in her house to allow her to have free movement without her house

[01:25:12] or throughout her house so she just said she don't want it she doesn't want to die but they'll

[01:25:17] they'll give her a free death so they kill this woman when she wasn't terminal and now they're

[01:25:22] allowing it for drug addicts if you just like a drug addict instead of get sending you to therapy and

[01:25:26] giving you help that they just suicide you so this is like expanding in Canada right now and

[01:25:31] you bet your bottom dollar it'll come here too it will yeah it's just give it a matter of time if

[01:25:35] it's that if it's at your next door neighbors it's gonna be over here you know and that's scary for

[01:25:39] the kids absolutely because they just get a tough spot at one situation what if they're not with it

[01:25:45] all not even that but like what if their parents decide like yeah you know what I don't want this

[01:25:50] like what happens or you know what what's the age limit like what if a child lives their whole

[01:25:56] life like when I get to age I'm gonna kill myself I don't want I've never wanted to be here and

[01:26:00] if people think that that's impossible look at what they're letting you do to your fucking genitals

[01:26:04] and they don't care how old you fucking are like well see they're talking even like in Canada with

[01:26:07] the suicide thing the euthanasia movement they're even talking about allowing it for kids without

[01:26:12] parent parental consent so there's this whole movement going on and you mentioned like with the sex

[01:26:16] changes whatever that there's this whole movement going on of a child's rights that like a child

[01:26:21] should be able to determine their their future or anything about themselves with over the will

[01:26:27] of their parents so they're giving children consent in these ways where they aren't they aren't able

[01:26:31] to consent there's a reason for consent laws so they're even talking about you know children

[01:26:37] being able to do this suicide stuff without the consent of parents talking about keeping secrets

[01:26:43] from parents at schools also or it's a weird stuff so the kids are really in a a very dire situation

[01:26:50] vulnerable please yes and I mean on top of it they are being given what is essentially hard drugs

[01:26:57] in technology at such a young age that you know these kids we have no idea they're being raised

[01:27:02] on iPads and they are totally into it and then you don't know what it's gonna be like when they're

[01:27:07] you know 19 and so you take it away from them they might not be able to sustain a cycle out

[01:27:13] yeah they it's it's it's serious stuff and I think we're just seeing the beginning of it we

[01:27:18] don't not know what we're doing it's just even even without kids I talked about this on a

[01:27:24] podcast I was there have you ever been in a group of people like I went over to my parents house

[01:27:28] the one time and it was a period where we haven't really seen them in a little bit so I really

[01:27:32] wanted to talk to them so I made sure that my phone was in my pocket literally entire time but

[01:27:37] every time I tried to talk somebody's face was like buried into a phone and I'm like well

[01:27:42] this fucking pointless I might as well just be doing the same thing I didn't but yeah it's it's

[01:27:47] crazy I mean like you know they create this thing called social media with the advertising

[01:27:52] be like we're going to be so much more connected and it's like totally the opposite effect does

[01:27:58] it not connect it does it worry you guys that both X and both Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg both

[01:28:06] want to make X and meta like do all fucking companies what do you mean but do like you just want

[01:28:14] to be like the do all end all companies like you can do pretty much anything you need or want

[01:28:18] through the company like I'm sure meta at some point will have online virtual stores or something where

[01:28:26] you're like you want to order your food you go into meta store you pick out all these things in

[01:28:30] your cart and then all of a sudden like 10 minutes later it's at your door or like you said there's

[01:28:34] like job postings on meta yeah they have like a version of this in China I forget what it's called

[01:28:39] but China has like a go to all app we check it yeah so it's that's what Elon's a vision of X is

[01:28:46] I mean he has space X now he has X and it's going to be basically his vision is that it's a single app

[01:28:53] for all your needs social okay it might it could be okay but isn't that a monopoly at that point well

[01:29:00] it's not necessarily a monopoly I think it'd be more of a monopoly in China because of the regulation

[01:29:08] that like the Chinese government is the one who was like we only chat right yes they don't

[01:29:13] everything but I mean we are very consumer based here and if the consumer wants that and

[01:29:21] it's implemented by a guy like Elon Musk I trust that more I mean this is a guy who just bought

[01:29:27] Twitter basically because of his stance on absolute free speech to me that's a good thing

[01:29:34] that's a good person to have been involved in your app if you want to have an app like that so

[01:29:40] I think it's okay I mean but could he have been doing it for money it's both it's of course

[01:29:45] money but money is an okay motivator money is a very important motivator for innovation in our

[01:29:50] country so it's I just go to my conspiracy brain if you if you have an X amount of certain money

[01:29:56] like you've done stuff to get there an X amount and yeah you've done an X amount of things

[01:30:02] X on mox yeah he he partially like wanted Twitter and X because for communications aspects with

[01:30:09] like his you know because he has SpaceX and satellites so like he basically he's a so he's

[01:30:15] intelligent guy it's like a global communication so that's like part of his whole you know goal

[01:30:21] with X like he wants to basically control it all for I mean I don't think he's very nefarious

[01:30:26] it comparison to other people I mean I have some criticisms like you know he did make a huge

[01:30:33] improvement by buying Twitter and you know because of the free aspects that was like a very dire time

[01:30:38] too where all socials were like even from YouTube all of them were cracking down on speech and he

[01:30:43] came through and he's definitely better on speech but he still won't like allow like us Jones on you

[01:30:50] know so but it's much better than everyone else but yeah for the most part he's somebody that I

[01:30:56] would I have more faith in than you know those at Google and YouTube and stuff totally ideologies

[01:31:02] like just totally captured by their ideologies but he's more reasonable I'd say

[01:31:09] so as we begin to transition to the final stretch of this awesome conversation we're having here

[01:31:14] I want to I want to go to everybody because a lot of these conversations maybe it's just me

[01:31:19] but when we talk about it's like a deluxe and we talk about technology and other world these stuff

[01:31:25] spiritual stuff and all that it always brings me back to the concept of death the ultimate taboo

[01:31:31] of our culture and I just like to know what everybody's views are on you know what happens what it

[01:31:38] is what happens afterward if anything happens afterward why don't we start off with the ladies

[01:31:44] um I feel like we touched on this on the last episode that the three of us did together like what

[01:31:53] my views on death are I don't think it's the end I just think it's a transition into the next

[01:32:01] phase if you will I do believe in reincarnation that's just my own personal opinion and I also

[01:32:14] feel as if when this particular body ceases to exist like there's one soul that belongs to you and

[01:32:23] the eternity that is everybody um I don't believe in heaven or hell but I think there is one local hub

[01:32:31] where everybody goes to kind of reconvene and then you can either stay or go or do something different

[01:32:41] I think that it's all just a learning experience as well do you think there's any sort of

[01:32:47] life review because you said you don't believe in heaven or hell but do you believe in like any type of

[01:32:53] system of judgment based off what you did in your life I do but I don't think there is uh

[01:33:01] well I don't want to say I don't think there's punishment for it but I don't think it's a severe

[01:33:05] is like you will spend all of eternity burning being poked by the devil you know I think that

[01:33:12] it's more so like uh you did this when we were kind of looking for you to do this like this was

[01:33:17] your karma here and you gotta go back and do it again until you get it right and it really did take

[01:33:26] becoming more I hate to say the word woke but going through this awakening experience and being

[01:33:33] more open-minded to these things because before I used to believe in the death penalty I thought

[01:33:39] you know an eye for an eye was a perfect way to handle those kinds of situations but now I think

[01:33:44] it's way more convoluted than that and you know I do believe in rehabilitation and

[01:33:51] I don't think that you know just because someone did something bad before that they're

[01:33:56] you know forever bad that people change people grow people learn and you know those rules to me

[01:34:03] still apply even in death if you do something really egregious during this lifetime I don't think

[01:34:10] that that should damn you forever you know everybody has the chance to redeem themselves and

[01:34:18] to be better from it nice I like that good answer okay Nicole you're dead

[01:34:25] second lady so

[01:34:32] I try not to say the death scares me because it's not the actual death that scares me it's

[01:34:40] do you know you died like that is always my like if I died in my sleep would it just be

[01:34:54] I never ever ever will I mean obviously you never wake up again but what I'm trying to say is

[01:34:59] would it be like I know that I've gone to the next phase or the next whatever it is or would I just

[01:35:10] black out like nothing ever again and I won't know because I'll be dead but that's what

[01:35:18] scares me about death and that's what I question all the time is do you know that you died

[01:35:26] and I think if that question could be answered a lot of other things would make sense but

[01:35:34] you're never gonna know but I agree a lot with what Alana said about I also believe in reincarnation

[01:35:42] and you know that there is something after this I don't believe I do believe in ghosts whether or not they are

[01:35:52] confused souls that walked this earth at one point or they are something completely different

[01:35:57] they're a soul there are something but I do believe in that um

[01:36:04] I mean we've talked a little we talked about suicide and Josh what what did we watch that they said

[01:36:11] that when you commit suicide you're in some sort of limbo you can and it's more possible you'll end

[01:36:17] up in a limbo type situation like that's kind of crazy like so different deaths warrant different

[01:36:23] different types like if you die in your sleep like obviously you didn't do that there was nothing

[01:36:29] you did wrong um now does it depend on age I don't know like when you're old is it more acceptable

[01:36:36] than when you're young do you go somewhere else when you're young versus when you're old because

[01:36:40] one person has completed from what we say their whole life and one person did not so like do they

[01:36:48] end up two separate places do they end up together if you talk to mediums you'll say everybody's

[01:36:52] together when I talk to you guys you know everybody is everybody like there's not you me it we're

[01:36:59] all connected so it's it's it's a hard one but I do believe that there is something else I don't

[01:37:06] believe that when we leave this earth that that's it I think there is something we don't know or

[01:37:12] we do know can I also just throw something in real quick yeah I think um I'll again my personal

[01:37:20] opinion not factor anything but I think your attitude towards death has a lot to do with it as well

[01:37:29] you know if if you're someone who has lived what we would consider a full life and you're at a

[01:37:33] terminal state um there's a big difference in someone who is calm at peace who is accepted that

[01:37:44] their life is about to end versus someone who is not ready to accept that and is is having a very

[01:37:52] very difficult time with it and is raging against that black light or whatever that poem is I forget

[01:37:58] um it I think that that also has a lot to do like the same thing as you said with the suicide you know

[01:38:05] the manner of death as well uh I think a lot of those things tie in too you can end up in that limbo

[01:38:10] state where you're confused maybe that's where ghosts come from I don't know but I think um

[01:38:16] your attitude at the end of your life you know obviously if you're if something really unfortunate

[01:38:22] happens you're hit by a bus or something happens really quickly like you won't know but if you are

[01:38:27] if you've gone through your entire natural life you're dying of a natural cause and you know

[01:38:31] it's coming your attitude has a lot to do with what happens afterwards as well that's all I wanted

[01:38:38] to throw in how about you Jeff oh my god uh I think death is just so complicated that anybody who says

[01:38:50] or pretends to know that what goes on after you're living and into death has absolutely

[01:38:56] no clue what they're talking about I mean it's even the people that say they've died and come back

[01:39:04] there are a lot of similarities but is that is that what happens if we were you to know or say

[01:39:10] I'd like to think that you get reincarnated it but there's also the people that are worried that

[01:39:21] you've ever heard of an archon before I've heard the word so it's they're like higher ascended beings that

[01:39:31] that like control pretty much I don't want to say re out but they control most of at least

[01:39:37] our plane of existence and when you die when you have that life review they're just

[01:39:42] fucking with you and they're just putting you back into the energy cycle just to keep

[01:39:46] siphoning and feeding off you like I do let that plane my head do I want that to be a reality

[01:39:51] know but what I don't know I just don't know that would suck if you died they gave you a life review

[01:39:59] and because according to them they said you did one little thing wrong you got to go back and do

[01:40:04] it all over again even after you yourself thought like I thought I did a pretty decent job you know

[01:40:10] and it's kind of crazy too because just because you did one thing wrong you have to relive an entire

[01:40:16] life like it's not like you have to go back to that moment and fix it it's now you have to

[01:40:22] give them an entire you know 100 plus years if you live in natural life or 80 plus years if you

[01:40:29] want to say that's more of like the life expectancy of a human um you like just from one thing

[01:40:38] you could like I feel like that's sketchy you'd have to I agree with you with that energy sucking

[01:40:44] like there has to be something in it for them what else will we do what do you mean like what's

[01:40:50] the meaning of life I I question that with I question that with the free will question because

[01:40:56] Spencer had brought that up he's like well it's just to experience everything are you really

[01:41:01] experiencing it because you're not like once you die you don't hold that experience anymore they

[01:41:06] wipe you anyway supposedly like you know there's those couple of people that are like oh I remember

[01:41:12] doing this in a past life but that's few and far between so if you resurrected what was the point

[01:41:17] of even serving that past life if you can't develop and learn from that's not you experiencing that

[01:41:24] at my in my opinion because you got rid of it is that really an experience or is that just

[01:41:29] happening it just happened an experience I feel like it has to have some sort of learning or

[01:41:34] or like knowledge aspect behind it oh yeah that's what I was gonna ask do you think do you

[01:41:38] to take something with you like you hold on to part to something that's that is a result of

[01:41:44] an experience I don't know but here's the thing how do you know you haven't held on to it

[01:41:50] because you have no idea who I mean ideally you would know you would have no idea who you were

[01:41:56] in the past life if they did their job correctly and they wiped you correctly but maybe something

[01:42:01] you do in this life is due to your that memory that stays with you from your past life you just

[01:42:08] don't know like what if you're intuition is something that happened to you prior yeah like people

[01:42:13] who believe in reincarnation often say like say like in your last life if you were a claimed musician

[01:42:20] then in your next life you will have natural ability for music so like they a lot of people with

[01:42:25] reincarnation would say that you bring aspects with with you to the next life but I don't know if

[01:42:30] I believe it sucks because it's not verifiable yeah it's not very far away it's not very fun although

[01:42:36] do you remember the organ thing that we watched where you can don't when you can get somebody's organ

[01:42:40] placed inside of you and then you start developing there there was tendencies or you can gain some

[01:42:45] of their memories somehow yeah there was a boy that donated his organs and he was like a crazy

[01:42:51] like musician and the woman who received or the man I don't remember if it was a woman or a man

[01:42:57] who received the organ never played an instrument in their life but now was playing the same instrument

[01:43:02] as that little boy and well like knew how to do it and that just like is everything ingrained into

[01:43:10] every piece of your body no matter if it's in your body or it's outside there's also like

[01:43:15] instances of people who are like bumped their heads real bad and then they'll be like expert

[01:43:19] piano players or like they'll hit their heads and then they'll be able to talk in a different

[01:43:24] language or they'll develop like an accent of somewhere totally foreign to them interesting I don't

[01:43:29] that's that brings up the I don't think consciousness resides in the brain at all I think it yeah

[01:43:34] I think I don't know what it is I don't think anybody knows what it is but I don't think it resides

[01:43:39] strictly in your brain well quite literally the brain exists in consciousness right has to because

[01:43:45] like there's no that you in order to see a brain it has to be within consciousness there's

[01:43:50] nothing that can exist outside of consciousness or you have to be aware of a thing for it to be

[01:43:55] there you know I mean so what happens when you lose your consciousness okay so well when I basically

[01:44:01] if you talk about death I think like for instance we want to talk about brains like before they

[01:44:06] were able to study psychedelics they figured that like when you take a psychedelic and observe

[01:44:12] the brain that everything fires off like crazy but they found it out found out that it was the

[01:44:17] complete opposite that when you take a psychedelic your brain in many areas starts to shut down so I

[01:44:22] would say psychedelics are the closest thing we have to death because when you died the image of

[01:44:27] the brain is totally shut down so when you take a psychedelic that's the closest thing to your brain

[01:44:32] being totally shut off a lot of people agree to that a lot of people would say that like oh maybe

[01:44:37] anesthesia like nothing happens when you die but like anesthesia is the opposite what they do is they

[01:44:41] flood your brain with a bunch of different stuff so you're so clouded that you can't grasp on

[01:44:45] anything such as pain or anything like that so it would be the opposite of something like anesthesia

[01:44:51] it would be something more can the psychedelics because that's the brain being totally shut down so I

[01:44:55] think death is basically total ego dissolution so on psychedelics you get ego death but I think

[01:45:03] that's like a fraction of what will happen when it totally shuts down so I think when you die it'll

[01:45:09] be complete ego dissolution I think during the process of death you will probably experience something

[01:45:16] akin to your life flashing before your eyes a DMT experience and understanding something where

[01:45:22] you still are held onto your ego as it is slowly fleeting and like same as you said I think that

[01:45:29] there's a way that you can accept death that'll make it an easier process same as like when you take

[01:45:32] a psychedelic if you fight the ego death it's going to be a lot more of a difficult experience but if

[01:45:39] surrender with love and acceptance it will be a more beautiful experience falling into the light like

[01:45:44] follow the light they say um so I think basically death will just be total ego dissolution I don't think

[01:45:50] I'm not totally married to the idea of reincarnation but I think it's a possible of possibility I think if

[01:45:56] we're here now then there's a possibility of always being here I mean I think that the possibilities

[01:46:03] are basically infinite as consciousness being infinite they're infinite possibilities but I think

[01:46:09] most likely it's going to be pure ego dissolution where you become the one thing and then you kind of

[01:46:16] have not even understanding not even a self-awareness just a pure being and then you know whatever

[01:46:23] sparks life could happen again and maybe it'll have a totally different experience of a different

[01:46:28] form of life or something you know I think it's the possibilities are endless but I think the main

[01:46:33] thing is that it's just basically ego dissolution where you will never stop being you will always be

[01:46:39] here now you'll always be here now but it will be in a sense where you no longer think you're a human

[01:46:44] being that you understand that you are reality itself that you are the entirety the totality that

[01:46:50] everybody that you ever loved was always you and I think the strongest reason I believe that is because

[01:46:56] on during the strongest psychedelic experiences that's the exact experience I have where I totally

[01:47:00] let go of myself as Joe I know I'm not Joe anymore I know this is that's not who I am and then I

[01:47:07] I can see that everything that I ever loved all the people that appeared to be separate for me were

[01:47:12] never actually separate it was just a part of the game so I think that your ego when your ego

[01:47:16] dissolves you just become one with everything that you ever loved you see everything has love itself

[01:47:21] that there was no actual pain or trauma that it was all just beauty and perfection and then you are

[01:47:28] just in a state of pure being and then you know I would say that's an infinite moment and I think

[01:47:36] that that's where you infinitely are but we just can't recognize that in this state of consciousness

[01:47:41] I think that's exactly where we are and I think like when you take a hit of TMT it just shows you

[01:47:45] this is where you've been this whole time you just weren't seeing it so I think that's what it is

[01:47:51] and there is no actual death because there's no actual you it's just an illusion of the ego so

[01:47:57] when your ego is when you have the ego dissolution it's not that you have died it's that you've come

[01:48:02] to life that you understand that you're seeing your true self for the first time or technically not

[01:48:07] the first time because you've always been there so you're seeing yourself as you truly are and

[01:48:11] recognizing that's what you've always been um so I don't know too much I don't go too deep in

[01:48:18] the reincarnation thing because I don't have any experience of that being true I think it's logically

[01:48:23] sound so but to me I feel for me deeply what I feel like is true is that it is basically just a

[01:48:30] realization of the true self the dissolution of the ego the understanding of what reality is what

[01:48:36] it always has been and then you're in an infinite moment of pure being and it's just like a pure love

[01:48:43] and that's what I think death is. I have a question do you think thinking like that

[01:48:50] helps with grief? Yeah absolutely. Like when pop-up passed away and when Nana passed away like

[01:48:58] do you feel not I don't want to say the word less sad because I it's sad that they're not here

[01:49:05] with us anymore but with the thinking like that they they are yeah so does it

[01:49:12] does it help with that grief that you you know that they're still around they're just not in their

[01:49:19] meet suit. I think that it's it helps but I think it's even better than that because

[01:49:25] because yeah grief is out you're always going to feel grief because you're going to miss the

[01:49:28] experience of the person but then like I have the foresight to know or this is just my belief so

[01:49:34] I say I know because this is how I feel um that you know when I when I die I will be one with them

[01:49:41] and actually I already am but it's just hard for me to see it through this state so like and it

[01:49:46] helps it comforts me in ways where it's like I'm more concerned about other how other people feel

[01:49:52] when they're approaching death. I want them to feel good and say you know just die with grace and love

[01:49:58] and you'll you know you'll see it's okay um I don't want to you know pain is what people are

[01:50:03] truly afraid of they don't want to experience pain and suffering so if you surrender and then uh

[01:50:10] I think it's far more beautiful than you know the idea of like oh I'm going to go to heaven

[01:50:15] and see everyone I love again it's like no you are you you're going to

[01:50:20] you're going to be them in a sense like you're going to understand what that who they are

[01:50:25] through a state of being so I think it's it's the ego dissolution is also the dissolution of

[01:50:31] all separation so like everything that you find to be separate from yourself is it's all you

[01:50:37] and it's always been you it's just that you haven't been able to see it and I think that you know

[01:50:42] through altering consciousness you can have the experience definitively where you say okay that

[01:50:47] is undeniable um and the the reason I like I mentioned apply the psychedelic state to death is

[01:50:54] because it's the closest thing we have to death as far as the images we see in this physical

[01:50:58] experience of the brain being shut down I think it's going to be an extreme version of the most

[01:51:03] intense psychedelic trip you have and I think that like I said during the process there might

[01:51:09] be an aspect of like a life review your your life flashing for your eyes but when it when you finally

[01:51:16] go through it then it's just a pure state of being of oneness but like I said I since time I don't

[01:51:24] think is like a real thing it's actually like an infinite process so it's not like it's just going

[01:51:29] to happen and then you're going to get to the other side and be there it's like an infinite happening

[01:51:34] I have one more question and a comment um so comment first so perhaps they should be giving

[01:51:42] psychedelics to people who want to end their life rather than letting them in their lives absolutely

[01:51:47] and like this is something that's been talked about which I think needs to be done is psychedelic

[01:51:51] with hospice patients giving them psychedelics psychedelics and nursing homes I think this is it's

[01:51:57] just uh it's just absolutely cruel that we don't do this there's a couple doctors that are doing

[01:52:02] it starting to like be talked about yeah I mean mushrooms have helped countless people

[01:52:09] except death psychedelics have helped me in uh I mean not totally fearing death I mean

[01:52:16] with living through the materials paradigm it's like terrifying thinking like you know

[01:52:20] it's weird there's an aspect of it that's terrifying because death is the end of everything and

[01:52:25] but it's also uh I think people are easy to grasp that ideology because there's a little bit

[01:52:31] of comfort there too because I think you know it'll be all over it's just like sleeping

[01:52:35] you know nothing but I don't think that's the case I think you're always gonna be here

[01:52:39] I didn't get to ask this before but I was thinking about it on a prior question do you guys

[01:52:43] think that doing what like you know going the journey that you guys have been on

[01:52:48] do you think that helps you like stab off a midlife crisis?

[01:52:54] I hopefully I don't really think about it but yeah I would say probably because I'm not concerned

[01:52:59] with it I try to just like literally just live in the moment and accept the moment

[01:53:04] I know for sure I haven't been depressed in a bear I just don't get depressed anymore

[01:53:08] I don't get I don't get like I don't get the emotions that I used to

[01:53:14] I just live in a state of acceptance I'd say

[01:53:19] yeah I agree I do think that the journey it's like a deluxe really really help with uh with all of that

[01:53:26] you know I I agree I haven't been like depressed since I mean not even at all because it allows

[01:53:35] you to to transmute those feelings of depression and those those negative feelings that you have

[01:53:41] into something else you know it's like alchemy it's mental alchemy essentially you know uh

[01:53:47] you have these new tools that you're able to analyze and contextualize all events that happen

[01:53:54] including death you know and as you had brought up Nicole with uh you know Arnana and Pop Pop

[01:53:59] passing away you know I there's a certain amount of there there's like Joe said you're never going to

[01:54:06] alleviate the pain so if you're looking to alleviate pain it's psychedelics aren't necessarily

[01:54:14] the course uh I don't think there is a course of action that you can eliminate the pain

[01:54:21] but being able to understand and have a conceptualization of what death is allowed me to eliminate

[01:54:30] a part of a massive part of the grief that I would have had just not there anymore because

[01:54:38] there's an understanding you know and it's an understanding that this this person is

[01:54:42] to me it brings to mind the quote death is like taking off a tight shoe and it's perfectly safe

[01:54:52] I see death as ultimate liberation from the the thing that we're doing now it's ultimate freedom

[01:55:00] so I see Arnana and Pop Pop and anybody else who who passes away as they are going into the next

[01:55:07] journey they're like they're they're traveling to the great beyond to the next the next quest you

[01:55:12] know they're they're being liberated of all of the things that you know shackle us and hold us here

[01:55:19] and you know in terms of the um the reincarnation part of it I like the idea the way I think about

[01:55:27] reincarnation is like if you think for a second about the fact that all of reality everything that

[01:55:35] you've ever experienced as reality is from a first person perspective inside your head where

[01:55:42] you're seeing your hands and your legs and like it's just this weird first person experience

[01:55:46] I think that that is inevitable it's going to happen again there's gonna be a time when I lose

[01:55:52] my consciousness and as you said Alana and I think Joe you brought it up as well it's really

[01:55:57] dependent on the state of mind that you're in how much at peace you are when you transition

[01:56:04] and I think it's very possible that as the Hindus and some Buddhists say you know there's a 49

[01:56:09] day Bart O'Period where you have this life review and you you know get to sort of like

[01:56:17] move around within this consciousness space and experience your your life review and what you've

[01:56:24] done or you can zip back into a new life and I think it's just inevitable that when we when we fall

[01:56:31] asleep into our inevitable death we're going to wake up into another ego based first person

[01:56:37] perspective of consciousness where we're moving through a three dimensional world I think that's

[01:56:42] what species do I think we we evolve with the purpose of um expanding our consciousness through

[01:56:53] experiences of love I think that's the that's the main thing that the the life review is based off

[01:56:58] of is how much love have you spread because that's the only it's the only thing that I can think of

[01:57:03] that would be a constant an easy way to to to judge life that is universal it is uh it

[01:57:15] transcends ideology because if I were to judge what I think everybody in this room has done in

[01:57:20] their life and I can I can judge it based off of my perspective and my morals but

[01:57:24] what transcends all of that is love I think it's the only thing that transcends all of it so to me

[01:57:32] that's that's what that's what you do you love and you learn you love as number one number one

[01:57:40] way way at the top and then way way down below a number two is learning you do both of those things

[01:57:46] and then you know maybe if we want to get real specific if you really want to go into reincarnation

[01:57:51] itself maybe that determines what type of uh embodiment your consciousness has when you do come back

[01:57:59] you know if you're a shitty you'd be a little slug huh or if you're shitty maybe you you would

[01:58:04] you would inhabit a biological being that will teach you how to not be shitty for the next

[01:58:12] how humulio because again your that second thing is is learning you have to learn so it seems to me

[01:58:18] that with each subsequent incarnation the whatever you get put into is a means to love more and a

[01:58:29] means to learn more and the more we do the more we we ascend possibly but I pretty much agree with

[01:58:35] like everything that Joe said you know I really do resonate with that you know when you have

[01:58:40] these psychedelic experiences like you were saying it shuts down your default mode network

[01:58:45] which is the central position of your uh in your brain of your ego of who you are so

[01:58:53] I think the thing that we define ourselves as is gonna go away but something will persist some part

[01:59:00] of us whatever that may be something I think will persist um and I think what that thing is

[01:59:08] we'll mention another paradox I think what that thing is I think that is my soul that is my being

[01:59:13] but it is also uh the collective at the same exact time I think I think those things are both

[01:59:19] interchangeable and my last the last thing I'll say about death is I really it's a statement about life

[01:59:27] I think that they're again you know I mentioned earlier this this field of whatever there's a

[01:59:34] field of something that connects all of us and I think the the meaning of life the the point of

[01:59:40] this whole thing is is to to further fill the vessel of our connection with love and

[01:59:53] I think yeah that is the love siren and you know I I think that if you go

[01:59:59] into the transition of death in a way that is peaceful in a way that is loving when you're and

[02:00:04] you have prepared for it I think it's very imperative that we prepare for these things and this is

[02:00:09] where the free will comes in we have a responsibility to ourselves and to every living thing in the

[02:00:16] universe including our planet and all others to to do just that to to fill our cups with love and to

[02:00:24] to strengthen the connection that we all have to ourselves that unseen connection and also

[02:00:30] the unseen connection that we have to the realms of spirit that was beautifully said thank you

[02:00:36] you've ever heard the the metaphor of the the moth and flame metaphor where it's like so the all the

[02:00:45] moth once is the flame so the moth spends its whole life trying to get to the flame it makes it

[02:00:52] three inches through the flame and it gets scared and it turns back and then you know it sees the

[02:00:57] flame again and it's just always going for the flame and it goes there gets two inches and it gets

[02:01:02] scared and goes away and it gets even closer it goes away because the moth realizes that in order to

[02:01:08] get the flame he has to become the flame he has to no longer be himself meaning that you know as

[02:01:15] human beings we spend our whole lives chasing love and happiness and you know we're afraid to die

[02:01:21] we get close to the thing and then we run away we're afraid to lose ourselves our egos but in order

[02:01:27] to get to the thing in order to get to the absolute love the happiness you have to become the thing

[02:01:32] you have to lose the ego you have to become the flame and then you fall into that what you truly are

[02:01:38] so it's like a moth through a flame this reminds me of the Terrence McKenna Quo where he says like

[02:01:43] you know you you jump you hurl yourself into the abyss it takes all of the courage in the world he

[02:01:48] says this about psychedelics but I think it really applies to death you hurl yourself into the abyss

[02:01:53] with all the fear but you have the courage to do it anyway and you find that when you fall

[02:01:59] you're falling onto a feather bed a soft feather bed it's like you you have to overcome the built-in

[02:02:06] systematic fears that you have in order to merge with the one right like death hurts or death

[02:02:12] means you fall and hit the ground again it's perfectly safe it's like taking off a tight shoe

[02:02:17] liberation it's purely like the attachment to the ego I think that's where like kind of Buddhism

[02:02:23] gets it right with Buddhism losing attachments and I think we are just so attached to everything

[02:02:29] that we don't see we don't see what actually is so like we're just so attached we don't want to lose

[02:02:35] this because this is all we know so like if you spend life I think preparing for death in a way

[02:02:40] like for instance like the ancient Egyptians they spent thousands of years dedicated to preparing

[02:02:46] for death like that was their thing the Egyptian like their culture was all about like not like a

[02:02:52] death culture but kind of like they were preparing for the afterlife and understanding it like as far

[02:02:57] as what we know about them and I think that we in our culture we basically just avoid death

[02:03:03] we have like a horrible tradition when it comes to our elders and older people we just throw them

[02:03:08] in homes and we don't like we don't want to see the elderly we just don't want to see it because we

[02:03:14] don't want to see ourselves in that we don't want to see that we're going to be that one day and die

[02:03:18] whereas other cultures like the elders were revered they were the smartest they were the ones that

[02:03:23] been through it so it's like we we are doing things in a weird backwards way and it seems like

[02:03:28] we're so avoidant of death like we just don't want to look at it don't want to think about it's not

[02:03:32] going to happen to me and when it does it's just going to be over and that's it I think that's the wrong

[02:03:37] approach I can agree with that I like that and it's funny because when you like if you think of

[02:03:45] like Native Americans they didn't take you to the person that knows much it's not the chief it's

[02:03:48] not going to be the person that runs the the tribe it's going to be the wise man that you know

[02:03:54] that's been around forever yeah I love that yeah this is exemplifying in shamanism as well you know

[02:04:00] you have these ancient and not so ancient cultures that are still around now you know they the

[02:04:06] shaman is is the wise one who goes into the realms becomes one with the realms and comes back

[02:04:13] and then has information fruits and healing for the village for the community and I think that's a

[02:04:18] it's a very important role and I think we need to bring shamanism back man we got to bring it to the

[02:04:25] to the west yeah I mean now it's just it's pure science this is our shaman basically religion's dying

[02:04:33] I feel yeah well what Nietzsche said he's like God is dead we killed him and I mean I think

[02:04:38] we're seeing the fruits of that I mean it's not like I'm totally for like a purely religious culture but

[02:04:44] I think an uh an understanding of God and a higher self or just a higher powers pretty like

[02:04:51] essential to a human being yeah this this was awesome though thank you guys for all I mean

[02:04:57] I mean it's been it's been great yeah I love this there was a lot of fun I'd love to do it again

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